Life after Eddie …

[TRF_Olyy]

Ffs

They've gotta have someone lined up already then, surely?
RobERTson on the hush hush?

 

[Which Tyler]

Dammit!

Though presumably you mean Robertson

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

Dammit!

Though presumably you mean Robertson

Or maybe he meant Andy Robinson, bringing the legend back

 

[Reiser99]

Did Edwards leave a giant floater when he was last at Twickenham?

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Or maybe he meant Andy Robinson, bringing the legend back

Even better, Ed's previously been involved under Jones, so Robinson & Son. Paving the eventual way for Farrell & Son….you know it's going to happen.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Dammit!

Though presumably you mean Robertson

My phone's autocorrect really has a mind of it's own recently

 

[Which Tyler]

Did Edwards leave a giant floater when he was last at Twickenham?

I'm not going to be signing up to any conspiracy theories about someone we wanted signing a contract extension more than a year before their current contract ends, with the RWC hosts, and favourites to win.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I'm not going to be signing up to any conspiracy theories about someone we wanted signing a contract extension more than a year before their current contract ends, with the RWC hosts, and favourites to win.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Scotty]

Ffs

They've gotta have someone lined up already then, surely?
RobERTson on the hush hush?

God i hope we dont put a offer on the table for Robertson after blowing the Edwards Chance and he turns it down...

I know its about money aswel but surely youd make a play for both? With Edwards as the succession plan. How the hell has the best English defence coach coached Wales and France and not England? Its Laughable that we dont even try to tie him down.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

In Bill Sweeney we trust.

 

[Which Tyler]

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Of course not, but nor is the one indicative of the other.

How the hell has the best English defence coach coached Wales and France and not England? Its Laughable that we dont even try to tie him down.

So we complain that top English coaches aren't getting experience elsewhere, and then we complain that the top English coaches are coaching elsewhere.

Yes, I'd have like Sean Edwards to take over after Eddie; but he's also young, and has plenty of time to come to England when he's at the top of his game.

Equally, Sean Edwards signing a contract extension with France is not indicative of RFU incompetence - however much we like to complain about the latter. It feels like the criticism of Eddie for having Radwan in his 36 but not in his 25 - which is bad because... Radwan lives a long way away. It's an excuse to kick someone we like kicking, but the kicking isn't particularly relevant to the facts at hand.

 

[Scotty]

Of course not, but nor is the one indicative of the other.


So we complain that top English coaches aren't getting experience elsewhere, and then we complain that the top English coaches are coaching elsewhere.

Yes, I'd have like Sean Edwards to take over after Eddie; but he's also young, and has plenty of time to come to England when he's at the top of his game.

Equally, Sean Edwards signing a contract extension with France is not indicative of RFU incompetence - however much we like to complain about the latter. It feels like the criticism of Eddie for having Radwan in his 36 but not in his 25 - which is bad because... Radwan lives a long way away. It's an excuse to kick someone we like kicking, but the kicking isn't particularly relevant to the facts at hand.

Im more saying he's been to Wales and proved he is a very good coach, he goes to France and proves himself yet again, he should have gone there and got experience. Im not complaining that he hasnt been with England im saying he is an proven English internationally experienced coach, why would we not try to bring him back?

I get your point on plenty of time for him to cosch England but now seems like a great time to bring him back and acctually have a succession plan for him to step up 4 years later.

I guess my last did sound like i was saying he shouldn't have gone elsewhere but that wasnt what i meant.

 

[BPM]

Of course not, but nor is the one indicative of the other.


So we complain that top English coaches aren't getting experience elsewhere, and then we complain that the top English coaches are coaching elsewhere.

Yes, I'd have like Sean Edwards to take over after Eddie; but he's also young, and has plenty of time to come to England when he's at the top of his game.

Equally, Sean Edwards signing a contract extension with France is not indicative of RFU incompetence - however much we like to complain about the latter. It feels like the criticism of Eddie for having Radwan in his 36 but not in his 25 - which is bad because... Radwan lives a long way away. It's an excuse to kick someone we like kicking, but the kicking isn't particularly relevant to the facts at hand.

Agreed. Edwards would have been my preferred candidate. However, for all his excellence in his specialist area (defence), he's not been a head coach at test level. It's definitely a loss, but there are other good candidates.

Robertson or ROG for me now followed by Borthwick. The same caveat applies to all of them too, but all have done good things that put them in contention IMO.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Agreed. Edwards would have been my preferred candidate. However, for all his excellence in his specialist area (defence), he's not been a head coach at test level. It's definitely a loss, but there are other good candidates.

Robertson or ROG for me now followed by Borthwick. The same caveat applies to all of them too, but all have done good things that put them in contention IMO.

I think Borthwick is your man.

 

[Which Tyler]

Im more saying he's been to Wales and proved he is a very good coach, he goes to France and proves himself yet again, he should have gone there and got experience. Im not complaining that he hasnt been with England im saying he is an proven English internationally experienced coach, why would we not try to bring him back?

I get your point on plenty of time for him to cosch England but now seems like a great time to bring him back and acctually have a succession plan for him to step up 4 years later.

I guess my last did sound like i was saying he shouldn't have gone elsewhere but that wasnt what i meant.

Quoting yourself was more a jumping-in point, rather than specifically addressing yourself - which I should have made clearer.

As for why wouldn't we try to bring him back - no reason at all, though that doesn't mean he'd agree just yet.
A] We're not really in the position of being able to offer a firm long-term contract to start in 14 months time
B] I'd be surprised if we were offering him a promotion just yet if he did come back
C] He won't feel that he's finished his job with France yet, though that may change if they win the RWC next year
D] We don't know from that tweet if he's staying as defence coach at France, or increasing his area of responsibility (the article might, but I'm not about to click into the Daily Heil if I don't have to)

None of which means that we're not talking to him, none of which means he won't come after 2027, none of which makes him a shoe-in for the England head coach role (and I personally, would be up in arms if we appointed a head coach, and didn't let him choose his own coaching team).

The only people we could viably offer a firm contract to now, to take us through to 2027 is Eddie himself (please gods no) or Wayne Smith - who became unemployed last week; but has said he's retiring rather than taking another job (and has also said he never wanted to coach against the All Blacks, which rules him out of any international job that isn't NZ)

 

[Don't Skip Leg Day]

I really don't see Borthwick as a suitable head coach yet. Maybe after a couple more seasons at tigers I'm he might be ready but I don't see him as stand out other than being English.

Has anything been talked about Mark McCall at all? Would be good to get him involved with his track record in some way.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Has anything been talked about Mark McCall at all?

I think I read an article before that said he wasn't that interested in international rugby because he loves the day to day job of building a side/culture in club rugby, rather than trying to cram it all into a week or two at a time three times a year at international

Might have changed now though, feel like I heard that a while ago

Realistically he's the only club coach in the Prem I'd feel OK with going into the top job,
Too soon for Borthwick, imo


I've got a feeling it might to go to Dick Cock because we'll run out of other options

 

[Scotty]

Im really not up to date on our coach options, and even alot of the assistant coaches in the prem. So i really dont kbow who the front runners are for this job, tbh i dont know alot about Robertson.

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Yes, I'd have like Sean Edwards to take over after Eddie; but he's also young, and has plenty of time to come to England when he's at the top of his game.

Except he's not really. He's 56 and will be into his 60s when his France contract expires. Doesn't mean he couldn't do a good job, but the reality is that's an age when energy and drive start to drop a bit, you become a little more entrenched in your views and find it a little harder to relate to the 20 somethings you're coaching. And he still won't have any national head coach experience to fall back on.

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Edwards being involved. But as far as head coach goes I think it was 23 or nothing for him. Farrell, post junior, increasingly looks like the long term option for me.

 

[BPM]

I think I read an article before that said he wasn't that interested in international rugby because he loves the day to day job of building a side/culture in club rugby, rather than trying to cram it all into a week or two at a time three times a year at international

Might have changed now though, feel like I heard that a while ago

Realistically he's the only club coach in the Prem I'd feel OK with going into the top job,
Too soon for Borthwick, imo


I've got a feeling it might to go to Dick Cock because we'll run out of other options

I tend to agree on Borthwick.

With McCall, I suppose it depends on his desire to keep doing essentially the same thing. He's basically won everything there is to win with Saracens, so his options are maybe trying to replicate that with one of the Irish provinces or move across to test rugby.

I think it's a bit soon to say 'we'll run out of other options'. As @Which Tyler said, we can't offer anyone a contract right now and with the likes of Robertson and ROG very publicly stating their interest, it feels hugely pessimistic to say we won't have options.