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Pro12: Round 20

Draggs

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Friday 12th​ April

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Saturday 13th​ April

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MUNSTER: F Jones; D Hurley, C Laulala, J Downey, S Zebo; I Keatley, C Murray; D Kilcoyne , D Varley, S Archer; Donncha O'Callaghan, P O'Connell CAPTAIN; P O'Mahony, T O'Donnell , J Coughlan
REPLACEMENTS: M Sherry, J Cronin, BJ Botha, B Holland, Dave O'Callaghan, C Sheridan, I Dineen
LEINSTER:

15: Rob Kearney
14: Dave Kearney
13: Brian O'Driscoll
12: Gordon D'Arcy
11: Isa Nacewa
10: Ian Madigan
9: Isaac Boss

1: Cian Healy
2: Sean Cronin
3: Mike Ross
4: Leo Cullen CAPTAIN
5: Quinn Roux
6: Sean O'Brien
7: Shane Jennings
8: Jamie Heaslip

REPLACEMENTS:

16: Richardt Strauss
17: Jack McGrath
18: Michael Bent
19: Devin Toner
20: Kevin McLaughlin
21: John Cooney
22: Andrew Goodman
23: Andrew Conway

Good to see fairly strong sides being named. We should take their scrum apart but I'd expect something similar being done to our lineout as Harlequins.
 
TOMMMMMMMMY BOOOOOOOOOOOOWWEEE!!!

EDIT: Stuart Olding for the Lions.
 
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Think Leinster will shade it. Our lads still battered while Leinster had 2 days extra rest. Glad we have rotated a few but still aim to keep momentum and here's hoping lads like Laulala and Downey continue to grow in confidence from last week.
Also it must be said there is signs this could be a very nice open game which I think will suit Leinster
 
Well dragons are taking a bit of a beating..

Ulster are going to have some incredible backs in a few years with Marshall, Olding and Farrell (unfortunately injured but is absolutely huge). We already do I guess but when they hit their prime it'll be very good.
 
Looking at the Leinster side one would imagine that (shock of all shocks) we're going to try and keep ball in hand. Jennings should ensure quick ball, while having Roux in the second row sacrifices our line out ability while essentially adding another backrow to the side. I'm guessing the thinking is spray the ball wide and see just how tired Munster legs are.
 
Sorry Draggs, but when you're losing kicking duels with a blindside, you know its going wrong...
 
How'd Marshall stay in there?

Ulster really hitting there stride. Bit of a blowout. Henderson better be ok.
 
Despite their league position, I'd have Dragons as the second worst team in the league. Uncompetitive to say the least.
 
Commentator really loves the word muscularity instead of physicality.
 
Despite their league position, I'd have Dragons as the second worst team in the league. Uncompetitive to say the least.

That is their league position.

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That is their league position.

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Hah, I did realize that very quickly actually. My bad. But anyway, they're useless.
 
How would that help?

It wouldn't help Newport, but it would help the other three, and therefore probably Welsh rugby as a whole; if Newport want that funding back, they can earn it through success and producing players, just like Connacht are engaged in doing.

edit: Mindyou, Connacht are managing more success, but I'll bet not more funding!
 
@ Peat: Next season Connacht will do alot more, a close mate showed me Pat Lams plans in terms of schedule and this guy really believes he can make Connacht in to a decent HEC team in 2/3 seasons and let's face it he has the record to do it. Let's not forget he played a big part in Samoa's amazing 2012.

@Feic Of course Leinster will keep ball in hand tomorrow against a slightly more tired Munster and with the type of pack ye have I'm sure the difference may tell after 50/60mins. And look we won't bluff Leinster have the more all round backline and the backrow is more balanced to operate better (even if both teams were fresh never mind fact we shagged)

And Snoop mentions Henderson having great game again tonight. Any chance he could be a bloter or are Dragons just terrible. Like how many times I seen them going in at positions that would nearly make offside seem acceptable was funny
 
@ Peat: Next season Connacht will do alot more, a close mate showed me Pat Lams plans in terms of schedule and this guy really believes he can make Connacht in to a decent HEC team in 2/3 seasons and let's face it he has the record to do it. Let's not forget he played a big part in Samoa's amazing 2012.

@Feic Of course Leinster will keep ball in hand tomorrow against a slightly more tired Munster and with the type of pack ye have I'm sure the difference may tell after 50/60mins. And look we won't bluff Leinster have the more all round backline and the backrow is more balanced to operate better (even if both teams were fresh never mind fact we shagged)

And Snoop mentions Henderson having great game again tonight. Any chance he could be a bloter or are Dragons just terrible. Like how many times I seen them going in at positions that would nearly make offside seem acceptable was funny


Hmm, I'm not so sure about that tbh. Looking at the Blues' record under his reign you can't say they haven't under performed massively. While he did win two ITM cups with Auckland, they are the most successful team of all time.

Improving on what Elwood has achieved will be difficult.
 

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