[RWC2023] South Africa vs Ireland (23/09/2023)

[TRF_Olyy]

Stop discussing this **** in here, go take it to politics or a new thread or something

Biggest game of the year and this is what it's descended to

 

[munstermuffin]

According the draw schedule on the RWC website, Semis are the latest they can meet again

No winners of QF on our side would meet other side in SF. Can only meet SA again in Final

 

[munstermuffin]

Ok, i tried being nice and this is what i got...

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Then get that foot out of your mouth and ask. Dont be shy.


I've got mixed feelings but leaning toward letting them stay as it is (not that i've got a vote or anything).


OK, i'll ltry to spell it out then.
What part of the following below wasn't clear?



You have the right to do something that no other side in the world cup is allowed to do. NOT ONE. And that thing is objectively advantageous. These are not opinions, these are facts.
The dictionary defines that as a privilege. To the t. Again, fact, not some obscure and twisted interpretation. It literally means that.
So when someone says something along the lines of "Irish lions" (other poster's words but it is what triggered this entire thing) have the common sense and decency to understand that he does have a point, whether you like it or not. Aknowledging its existence would be a start.
When you have a privilege and someone points it out, pretending it doesn't exist generally doesn't work. Rationalizing it and arguing you and you alone should have it tends to backfire too, particularly when the list of counterexamples against it is endless.


That was my **** poor attempt at being nice. Since i believe this could be a touchy subject for some of you i thought going head-in wasn't the most amicable approach, so i tried to be polite instead and that lead me to use poor euphemisms and avoiding calling a spade a spade. My mistake. Apologies. But since you want no subtleties here's the plain english version: i went wishy-washy because your refusal to acknowledge straight undeniable facts strongly suggested these could hurt you went confronted with them and i was trying to protect your snowflakie arse. Your team has a privilege that no other team in the tournament has access to and when someone present those facts some people like you deny it, excuse it or appear to be offended. Clear enough?

You wanna have that privilege? Fine. You want to call it a right and pretend you've earned it? Sure, call it Lord Ian Robespiere of Montagne if it makes you feel any better. But don't expect the rest of us to pretend that the big orange elephant in the room is just an inconspicuous and sutil lamp in the corner that no one notices. Everybody does. Not everyone cares too much (counterintuively, i dont) but not caring about something doesnt mean you dont recognize it's existence when asked point blank.

Can I ask how we have a clear advantage?
Like again you are sprouting BS and you say Ireland have an advantage like yet if you narrow down to rugby which you are doing is the Jean Kleyn ruling that is helping the Pacific Islanders not a bigger help???
Like I really don't get the argument you making at all that it so invalid, wrong and immaterial

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

But why would Ireland split?? Brcause of a religious issue. Are you sayong so Stuart McCloskey should not be there or is there other players I am missing?
Ireland is an Island and has never been treated any differently. Soccer is vastly different in eligibility rules also. But Mark Cavendish rides for the UK in cycling. You disagree with this?
Puerto Rico and US intertwine based on political side.

I dont understand why that is relevant, at all. If the country splits the team splits, period. No buts, no ifs, no excuses, no exceptions. Like it happened with USSR, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Yugoslavia, Sudan, East timor, etc.
Why te country splits is irrelevant.

Do you believe so France and Spain should eventually split to if Basque authority is given some jurisdiction.

Yes, i do.

Like I'm still not getting how you think Ireland Rugby (the Island) gets special treatment.

OK, i'll try.



So the question becomes: does Ireland have a right granted as a peculiar advantage?
Let me break it down in two

Are there any other teams in the WC that are allowed to do this? Yes or no.
Is this advantegious for the resulting team? Yes or no.

If the answers to both of those questions is "yes", then there lies your special treatment. I believe the answers to both of those questions are quite straightforward.
Dont get me wrong, i'm ok with it, mostly. I know after arguing 20 pages about this and then saying that sounds hypocritical. I get it. Gonna ask you to trust me when i say i'm ok with it.
But the trigger (hate that word) is not the privilege itself. The trigger is how some fail to admit it exists. THIS is the issue. Hopefuly the difference is clear, as THAT is quite important to me.

I've eplxained myself poorly but extensively. I think it's time to drop it. From my end. PM so as not to derail, though it might be too late for that.

 

[Cruz_del_Sur]

Can I ask how we have a clear advantage?

Of course you can!

Which team is/would be stronger
1) United Ireland
2) ROI
3) NI
?

There is your answer then.
If Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay could present a united footie team we'd have at least 10 World Cups, probably more. But the idea is for everyone to present teams according to specific criteria: nation-states/countries. If you get the right (but not the obligation!) to choose otherwise, well, that's and advantage.

 

[Ddanno]

Of course you can!

Which team is/would be stronger
1) United Ireland
2) ROI
3) NI
?

There is your answer then.
If Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay could present a united footie team we'd have at least 10 World Cups, probably more. But the idea is for everyone to present teams according to specific criteria: nation-states/countries. If you get the right (but not the obligation!) to choose otherwise, well, that's and advantage.

Mate, you've been mod warned. Please pack it in.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

James Lowe picked up Even Etzebeth yesterday.

The best team in the world beat the second best team.

I've been drinking for 36hours.

Who's the favourites for the world cup?

I don't think we'll win, but it ******* has to be us.

 

[Yulia]

Who's the favourites for the world cup?

I don't think we'll win, but it ******* has to be us

Now I think you will win to be honest

 

[saulan]

To get this back on track, here is the shirt I was forced to wear while watching the rugby. This hurt so much. Wasn’t even a rugby jersey…

 

[munstermuffin]

Of course you can!

Which team is/would be stronger
1) United Ireland
2) ROI
3) NI
?

There is your answer then.
If Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay could present a united footie team we'd have at least 10 World Cups, probably more. But the idea is for everyone to present teams according to specific criteria: nation-states/countries. If you get the right (but not the obligation!) to choose otherwise, well, that's and advantage.

Well technically no difference as everyone in North can get a Republic passport so neither. You knew that though yes. So again if born in Brazil you can't get an Argentine passport. So that makes 0 sense. In some of old USSR countries there is a process of change and they can still get Russian documentation depending on age.

Like again you seem to have very little knowledge of the situation here and worryingly less accuracy on the facts.

 

[Amiga500]

Seen this doing the rounds on social media,
In the spirit of the benefit of the doubt I think it's accidental (though it does kinda look like a press down after the initial step) but a lot of people are very angry - citing incoming?

You can argue the put down isn't deliberate. Maybe.

But leaving it there and doing 2 twists 100% is deliberate.

You know its not grass under your studs when you put your foot down. Anyone whose done it at all (accidentally of course) will know what I'm on about.

Would be surprised if its not cited and he's not hauled in front of a panel for it.

 

[bushytop]

Of course you can!

Which team is/would be stronger
1) United Ireland
2) ROI
3) NI
?

There is your answer then.
If Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay could present a united footie team we'd have at least 10 World Cups, probably more. But the idea is for everyone to present teams according to specific criteria: nation-states/countries. If you get the right (but not the obligation!) to choose otherwise, well, that's and advantage.

So I used to bring this up back in the day… but it was only ever in banter tbh. Ireland are Ireland, regardless of the religious and political beefs that have festered for various reasons. I spent quite a lot of time in Belfast, speaking to people from various backgrounds (class and religion) and they just wanted Ireland to be Ireland (for the most part at least). It’s one country divided by what is ultimately unnecessary shite.

 

[Ddanno]

unnecessary shite.

We're called England you ungrateful swine

 

[bushytop]

We're called England you ungrateful swine

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oh well

 

[Ddanno]

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oh well

Are you surrrrre you're not coming back. You're gonna have a whole QF to **** the place up Xx

 

[bushytop]

Are you surrrrre you're not coming back. You're gonna have a whole QF to **** the place up Xx

All I can do is reiterate:

 

[Ddanno]

All I can do is reiterate:

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You dirty *******

 

[Ddanno]

All I can do is reiterate:

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I'm totally unfriending you on psn

 

[bushytop]

I'm totally unfriending you on psn

 

[Horacito]

Well, this is the only rugby i've got since france-new zealand and any fiji game
thanks ireland- SA