Coach strikes referee.

[smartcooky]

NOTE: There is no intention to start anything here, I'm not trolling or running a wind-up. I would like to have some genuine comment without people losing the plot.

I would be interested to hear what SA posters think of this. Watch the video, read my comments underneath, then discuss.



As near as I can work out, the Afrikaans caption under the video says something like....

On Saturday, after the rugby match between EG Jansen High School and Kempton Park High School in Boksburg, One of South Africa's best referees, Mdashe Mlungiseleli was assaulted by an assistant coach of EG Jansen. The coach Schalk Snyman, is the Falcons Craven Week 0/18 school coach.

Mdashe is an experienced referee and a Valke Referees' Society member (same Society as André Watson) He is a referees' development officer in the Valke region and has been on SA Referees' panels for seven years. Presently, he is on the SARU National Panel, a group of 18 referees just below the eight referees who referee Super Rugby - making him one of the top 26 referees in South Africa.

To me, this kind of behaviour is totally unacceptable. If it were up to me, coach Snyman would be on the end of a lifetime ban from involvement in all rugby in any capacity or level.

It is interesting to note that while he is arguing and is about to assault the referee, the players of both sides are lining up and shaking hands in the background. Pity he didn't follow the example of his players!!

What I would like to know is, does race have anything to do with what happened here. I don't mind a racial discussion as long as it is discussed positively. Most posters here will understand the difference between a racial discussion and a racist discussion. We all know that things have changed at Government level in South Africa, but has that translated to a change in attitudes at grass-roots, particlarly at school level?

 

[Cave Dweller]

Eish you do not know school rugby in South Africa. The parents and coaches are almost like those parents you get with these young tennis prodigy's.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

That is ridiculous.
What does he hope to gain by headbutting(?) the referee? I agree with what you said about the ban: the SARU should ban him from involvement in the sport.

Whether you agree with a referee's decision it's his decision and you have to respect that and move on. This is just ridiculous.

 

[nickdnz]

Well the thing is, there are appropreate channels to go through if you have a problem with a referee. Sholder barging him after a game is not one of them. Total idiot.

 

[Cave Dweller]

The sad thing is a couple of weeks before this incident a player knocked out a referee in schools rugby. The serious injury rate in schools rugby are worse than top flight level rugby.

 

[Sam Owen]

If that happened around here, that coach wouldve most probably got smashed up. Doesnt matter what colour he is, black or white. Lot of crazy parents around here.

I cant believe no-one did nothing to help the reff, strange??

 

[TRF_heineken]

What is even worse is that once again Beeld went and over exaggerated the title of that Video... in English it's: "Referee Assaulted at rugby game"

That was hardly assault, more of a childish cowardly act by a pussy who's team lost.

Anyways, totally unacceptable behaviour, but you can't be too surprised though, it happened in Brakpan!!

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

Yeah, the act itself was pretty lame, but it's the principle behind it.

 

[Sam Owen]

What is even worse is that once again Beeld went and over exaggerated the title of that Video... in English it's: "Referee Assaulted at rugby game"

That was hardly assault, more of a childish cowardly act by a pussy who's team lost.

Anyways, totally unacceptable behaviour, but you can't be too surprised though, it happened in Brakpan!!

Heiny! My man. One question....

Would you do that to your brother Bryce Lawrence?

 

[Cave Dweller]

What is even worse is that once again Beeld went and over exaggerated the title of that Video... in English it's: "Referee Assaulted at rugby game"That was hardly assault, more of a childish cowardly act by a pussy who's team lost.Anyways, totally unacceptable behaviour, but you can't be too surprised though, it happened in Brakpan!!

That is the media. How will they sell papers with headlines that read coach push referee. The Travon shooting incident is the biggest example of it and how the press turned things for viewer totals.

Heiny! My man. One question....Would you do that to your brother Bryce Lawrence?

Couple of idiots made threats to him which is really sad. He admitted he made some mistakes. Our players should have at least adjusted to his breakdown interpretation. They had 80 minutes to do it and they did not.

 

[blue b]

This is totally unacceptable behaviour!!! I don't know what is going on with parents these days, but I see parents (moms and dads) every saturday getting worked-up at matches were my six year old boy plays "bulletjie rugby".

 

[TRF_heineken]

Heiny! My man. One question....

Would you do that to your brother Bryce Lawrence?

Nope

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

If that happened around here, that coach wouldve most probably got smashed up. Doesnt matter what colour he is, black or white. Lot of crazy parents around here.

I cant believe no-one did ANYTHING to help the reff, strange??

There were two guys who moved between the ref and his assailant and later one guy took the ref by the arm and moved him off. What would you have anyone do? No reason to reciprocate needless violence with needless violence. Rather hit him where it hurts; his pocketses. If a man hits a woman though... that's asking for it. One guy hitting another..? Nah, let him fight his own battles whether reciprocating or going the law suit route.

If I'm not mistaken I heard the coach was sacked immediately by the school. Not sure about a ban but I'm sure it's coming if not already in place.

As for it being racially motivated? Who knows. Probably no-one except the idiot if he even knows why he did it.

 

[Sker]

Eish eish eish...

There was a talk on RSG the other day about violence on school rugby level the other day (so what, I sometimes listen to RSG )

This is just... this is just pathetic. Like said earlier, think it's just a pussy who lost and hit the ref, whether it's racially motivated or not I don't know. I was still in school last year and while the white kids and black kids don't really mingle a lot, they aren't enemies. Actually quite friendly with each other untill someone stirrs a debate, and then it's usually the white and coloured kids who have spats with each other.

We were usually very interested in Zulu/Xhosa cultures and the Zulu/Xhosa kids happily chatted to us about it. I sat next to a Zulu kid in History class, played first XV fullback, fast as ****. We made jokes all the time, no one got offended.

That might be only my school, race was an issue here a few times, there were a few fights but I think that was only because the two kids were f...ing idiots.

Although one thing that I did observe is that the females are probably the ones struggling to mingle the most and make friends.

Anyway somewhere in all that school nostalgia is my point: Think it's just an idiot losing, if it had been a white ref, he probably would have shouted and still hit the guy. You never know.

 

[Cave Dweller]

It will look a bit racially motivated to people not living in SA or do not know how obsess some of the parent and coaches can be at that levels. I mean if top rugby schools run around and provide free bursaries to players they recruit and all sorts of packages. The school that both sexes attend is usually at the bottom where they will get feed on by the boys only schools. From there the "big rugby" schools" will then recruit of them filling their A B C D E F G H teams. On the small towns your lucky to have a B team. At u/14 level they will have a C team but age up and there will be only a 1st team or if your lucky a 2nd team as most of the players are recruited to fill up those schools teams. Reason they will go through a lot of effort with recruiting is sponsors and funds. On the platteland the parents who donate the most will normally see their son playing first team as well. Here and there you get the stubborn coach who picks on merit and thats where a small team will have a good first team out of nowhere till the scouts notice it and then they will be recruited.

So its rewards in a amateur system which causes competitiveness in parents and coaches. A school with a good record gets nice jerseys, scoreboards, equipment everything sponsored without touching the schools budget.

 

[TNT88]

Apparently netball parents in Australia are so bad (in terms of taking child sport so f***ing seriously), any parent on the sideline is not even allowed to cheer for their own team. Every kind of banter from the crowd is banned and obviously any ref abuse is a big "No".

That is what's gonna have to happen with junior rugby if parents keep acting like clowns instead of "gentlemen". I cannot watch junior soccer/football games because the parents who stand on the sideline are an embarrassment to humanity. Every time I leave a football ground I actually leave with the feeling the human race is too moronic, and selfish to last another 1000 years.

Junior rugby should be about kids having a run and learning teamwork. The happiest moment of a teenager's week is generally the 80 minutes he gets on the rugby pitch each saturday. And if that 80 minutes consists of constant parent abuse/pressure he is going to have a pretty sad childhood.

Sorry to be so dramatic, I just don't like the way junior sport is heading not only in Australia but clearly SA has the same issue.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Well my and Victor Matfield's High school, has a private security company which are there during games at the School. It works really well if it's being contained properly. The School also gave the kids who participate in sport a contract which their parents or any other person that comes to watch the games must sign. Which states that if the person performs any illegal or serious offence with regards to other team's members, coaches, officials or fans, that they will be banned from the school for a period of 3 years. And this includes local functions, parent meetings or whatever is going on at the school.

This way if there is any incident, it's usually the other school's parents... But us Boere here in Limpopo are friendly neighbours...

 

[Cave Dweller]

Nah we kicked the snot out of each other in the rucks, scrums and mauls. Our one school teacher was a ref in a game vs Landbou Jankempdorp the one year and he ended up in a Landbou maul and came out the other side with a broken arm. They were dirty little ****ers

 

[Sam Owen]

There were two guys who moved between the ref and his assailant and later one guy took the ref by the arm and moved him off.

I saw that, it did take awhile for someone to act. The reff looked like a victimised sitting duck for a wee while IMO.

What would you have anyone do? No reason to reciprocate needless violence with needless violence. Rather hit him where it hurts; his pocketses. If a man hits a woman though... that's asking for it. One guy hitting another..? Nah, let him fight his own battles whether reciprocating or going the law suit route.

If I'm not mistaken I heard the coach was sacked immediately by the school. Not sure about a ban but I'm sure it's coming if not already in place.

As for it being racially motivated? Who knows. Probably no-one except the idiot if he even knows why he did it.

Definately no need for that kind of violence but Im simply saying how it is on my side of the world. Parents here would have collared that coach and rammed their fist next to his face saying 'why did you that for?'.

Another thing is, the guy who took him away just had to be black (I think he was black).

 

[Olliekooga]

Wow as a coach I have had a real problem with refs decisions but at the end of the day we cant have a game without them. Coaches, especially coaches of junior sides and school sides, should be a as much an example of how to behave around the game as what to do during the game.

As someone has already said lifetime ban from all rugby.
One of my main problems with this idiot is unfortunately people wont be saying oh did you see Joe Soandso barge that ref they will be saying did you see that rugby coach barge that ref.