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[2017 RBS Six Nations] Round 5: Ireland vs England (18/03/2017)

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RTE losing their rugby coverage to TV3, with yesterday being their last ever game is absolutely dreadful news. Always watched the games here since I was but a babe, despite how awful it could be at times.
 
Would that be like the BBC losing all coverage to ITV?
 
You're rewriting the terms of the debates which have been going on here over the past several weeks about the relative backline performances of teams to make it sound as though all the English posters here think England have been by far the best attacking backline so far, and it's just not the case.

I'm simply expanding on the point I made on my quote. I have no interest in English arrogance or otherwise, simply in an objective appraisal of the respective merits of different teams. I have no concern if someone comes to a different opinion on the matter and crucially, I do not support Ireland, Wales or Scotland at rugby, so have no axe to grind.

And the 15 man point is not in isolation. It is attached to the caveat that there are 15 men on the field and all 15 are playing in their correct positions (as I have stated repeatedly in each post). Scotland had 14 men from minutes 2-12, then had Hogg go off after 18 mins I believe with a winger moving to fullback and a centre moving to wing. So England had minute 0 & 1, and minutes 13-17 where they were playing against a Scotland side whose backline play could be said to be at full strength and worthy of comparison.

I fail to see how those 6-7 minutes could result in any sort of credible analysis of the respective strengths of the two sets of backs and I have seen no evidence in this tournament to undermine my contention that the Scottish back play (having got rid of Laidlaw) is probably the best of the sides in the tournament given the relative scarcity of quick ball they receive.
 
Pretty much. Rte isn't great but tv3 is baaad. I will miss rile nugent though
 
The good thing about TV3 is Murray Kinsella will be offering some analysis. He's 1 of best in world at moment. And doesn't get in to favourites etc just looks at a play and breaks it down
 
I feel really strange after that performance having watched it again, firstly it shows how little a lot of our rugby media (*coughs* *indo* *coughs*) know because, line out aside, all the "system failures" that "lost" us the game last week were just as evident, the difference was that we didn't **** our maul up, didn't have a 10 prone to defensive blunders and didn't get a yellow card... Game won, still not playing great stuff like the Autumn though.

The challenge now is winning with less tight margains, wing change is in order, Earls and Zebo simply don't have the speed or evasiveness for international rugby, a couple times Earls was given all the space you could dream of and did the bare minimum with it, Zebo should have gotten away after the charge down on Youngs too. Byrne, Sweetnam and ROL can do stuff with chances like that, let them.
Murray needs to pick up the pace when he's back, Marmion's tempo is why Ringrose finally got to showcase a little of what he can do, it added a wee bit of danger. Hopefully McGrath really kicks on, he has the tools to put pressure on Murray.
There is need for rotation, POM was a positive yesterday but there's times you're going to need Heaslip, the France match comes to mind, back in Leinster Schmidt regularly swapped Locky and Jenno depending on the opposition, bring this back.
Make Sexton captain, only man certain of a start who can do it, Best was great yesterday but those performances are becoming less and less frequent so while I'd still have him around the squad his days are numbered.
I was disappointed with the targeting of Sexton, not much of it was illegal but it's been tried over and over and it doesn't affect his game in the slightest, he was the best player on the park, so the incentive is to injure a fellow professional, there's nothing to be done about it but whinge like I am but I really don't like it and don't think its in "the spirit of the game" for lack of any term that isn't a cliché. I was happy to see PO'M get in Itoje's face and show that a Limerick man who brushes his teeth with tar and uses barbed wire instead of a sponge in the shower is an enforcer, not one of us Latin speaking, communal shower taking, soggy biscuit playing, earth shaking, love making, viagra taking E STREET BAND... Apologies, private school dwellers. (He went to Harrow ffs, I think that means he automatically loses every fight he gets into!) :p

From an England pov, you have a serious team but some bang average operators at the same time, Hartley, Haskell, Daly on the wing, Care, and dare I say Youngs, Ford and JJ against a well set defence, Robshaw will fix a lot, Kruis adds to your second row because you really need that but a few changes of faces will only help. From this 6 nations alone and due to bias based on man crushes on Farrell at 12 and Daly as well as not knowing your FB options I'd want to see Youngs, Ford, Farrell, Daly, Watson, Nowell, Brown. If you could get a playmaking 15 (Has Lozowski played much more there this season?) I'd quickly drop Ford and bring Te'o in too. The age profile and ruthless, wise, old **** stain you have coaching you will result in a stronger team year after year, trying to pry that trophy from your cold, dead hands won't be easy next year. Similar to us this 6n, you found out that you're not as good as you maybe thought but not a lot needs to be done to get there and even surpass it.
 
My god that Aldi kids thing was painful to watch.

I actually found it so annoying, all these yuppie kids, sons of RTE no doubt thinking its hilarious when its the worst television idea ever and as long as tv3 don't do that then ill be better off.
 
I feel really strange after that performance having watched it again, firstly it shows how little a lot of our rugby media (*coughs* *indo* *coughs*) know because, line out aside, all the "system failures" that "lost" us the game last week were just as evident, the difference was that we didn't **** our maul up, didn't have a 10 prone to defensive blunders and didn't get a yellow card... Game won, still not playing great stuff like the Autumn though.

The challenge now is winning with less tight margains, wing change is in order, Earls and Zebo simply don't have the speed or evasiveness for international rugby, a couple times Earls was given all the space you could dream of and did the bare minimum with it, Zebo should have gotten away after the charge down on Youngs too. Byrne, Sweetnam and ROL can do stuff with chances like that, let them.
Murray needs to pick up the pace when he's back, Marmion's tempo is why Ringrose finally got to showcase a little of what he can do, it added a wee bit of danger. Hopefully McGrath really kicks on, he has the tools to put pressure on Murray.
There is need for rotation, POM was a positive yesterday but there's times you're going to need Heaslip, the France match comes to mind, back in Leinster Schmidt regularly swapped Locky and Jenno depending on the opposition, bring this back.
Make Sexton captain, only man certain of a start who can do it, Best was great yesterday but those performances are becoming less and less frequent so while I'd still have him around the squad his days are numbered.
I was disappointed with the targeting of Sexton, not much of it was illegal but it's been tried over and over and it doesn't affect his game in the slightest, he was the best player on the park, so the incentive is to injure a fellow professional, there's nothing to be done about it but whinge like I am but I really don't like it and don't think its in "the spirit of the game" for lack of any term that isn't a cliché. I was happy to see PO'M get in Itoje's face and show that a Limerick man who brushes his teeth with tar and uses barbed wire instead of a sponge in the shower is an enforcer, not one of us Latin speaking, communal shower taking, soggy biscuit playing, earth shaking, love making, viagra taking E STREET BAND... Apologies, private school dwellers. (He went to Harrow ffs, I think that means he automatically loses every fight he gets into!) :p

From an England pov, you have a serious team but some bang average operators at the same time, Hartley, Haskell, Daly on the wing, Care, and dare I say Youngs, Ford and JJ against a well set defence, Robshaw will fix a lot, Kruis adds to your second row because you really need that but a few changes of faces will only help. From this 6 nations alone and due to bias based on man crushes on Farrell at 12 and Daly as well as not knowing your FB options I'd want to see Youngs, Ford, Farrell, Daly, Watson, Nowell, Brown. If you could get a playmaking 15 (Has Lozowski played much more there this season?) I'd quickly drop Ford and bring Te'o in too. The age profile and ruthless, wise, old **** stain you have coaching you will result in a stronger team year after year, trying to pry that trophy from your cold, dead hands won't be easy next year. Similar to us this 6n, you found out that you're not as good as you maybe thought but not a lot needs to be done to get there and even surpass it.

Few issues here:
1. Stats showed and analysis our work at breakdown was Lot better and balanced yesterday. That was a call that media were wanting and it was also right. Also was great analysis oon how the change in backrow and balance benefitted centres. They could stay thay bit wider and Ringrose in particular looked more comfortable.
2. I agree on comments about Marmion. Thing here as your kind of pointing out is Schmidt's approach has to alter and learn to trust 23 guys.
3. On wings. Your right. But Earls was injured but equally touches on point 2. Schmidt needs to realise gap isn't huge and a guy 100% is better than guy 70%.
4. Payne. Back to Point 3 he wasn't fit and rusty. Got through superbly. Showed in a way why he should start. Ok dropped 2 aerial balls but I put that to rustiness. Offered great attack, missed 0 tackles and made 2 or 3 great offloads out of tackle. I think Rob K shouldn't be a 15 but equally I don't think Zebo is near. Both have strength and weakness but neither near.
5. Peter O'Mahony would cut you with barb wire if you called him Limerick man.
6. On captain. If we think Sexton will make RWC19 as starter. Then yes make him captain. Now is right time to change though. Best has been a warrior but age is against him and Scannell has shown he's ready. I see Scannell as starter with Cronin closing out the way forward.

Now the thing is when we go Japan will we build on this. And blood guys with serious view on expansion or revert to usual. It is a key time.
 
The good thing about TV3 is Murray Kinsella will be offering some analysis. He's 1 of best in world at moment. And doesn't get in to favourites etc just looks at a play and breaks it down
This.

TV3 did a great job with their World Cup coverage. While I thought Conor McNamara wasn't brilliant on commentary, every other aspect of their World Cup broadcasting was superior to RTE.
 
I feel really strange after that performance having watched it again, firstly it shows how little a lot of our rugby media (*coughs* *indo* *coughs*) know because, line out aside, all the "system failures" that "lost" us the game last week were just as evident, the difference was that we didn't **** our maul up, didn't have a 10 prone to defensive blunders and didn't get a yellow card... Game won, still not playing great stuff like the Autumn though.

The challenge now is winning with less tight margains, wing change is in order, Earls and Zebo simply don't have the speed or evasiveness for international rugby, a couple times Earls was given all the space you could dream of and did the bare minimum with it, Zebo should have gotten away after the charge down on Youngs too. Byrne, Sweetnam and ROL can do stuff with chances like that, let them.
Murray needs to pick up the pace when he's back, Marmion's tempo is why Ringrose finally got to showcase a little of what he can do, it added a wee bit of danger. Hopefully McGrath really kicks on, he has the tools to put pressure on Murray.
There is need for rotation, POM was a positive yesterday but there's times you're going to need Heaslip, the France match comes to mind, back in Leinster Schmidt regularly swapped Locky and Jenno depending on the opposition, bring this back.
Make Sexton captain, only man certain of a start who can do it, Best was great yesterday but those performances are becoming less and less frequent so while I'd still have him around the squad his days are numbered.
I was disappointed with the targeting of Sexton, not much of it was illegal but it's been tried over and over and it doesn't affect his game in the slightest, he was the best player on the park, so the incentive is to injure a fellow professional, there's nothing to be done about it but whinge like I am but I really don't like it and don't think its in "the spirit of the game" for lack of any term that isn't a cliché. I was happy to see PO'M get in Itoje's face and show that a Limerick man who brushes his teeth with tar and uses barbed wire instead of a sponge in the shower is an enforcer, not one of us Latin speaking, communal shower taking, soggy biscuit playing, earth shaking, love making, viagra taking E STREET BAND... Apologies, private school dwellers. (He went to Harrow ffs, I think that means he automatically loses every fight he gets into!) :p

From an England pov, you have a serious team but some bang average operators at the same time, Hartley, Haskell, Daly on the wing, Care, and dare I say Youngs, Ford and JJ against a well set defence, Robshaw will fix a lot, Kruis adds to your second row because you really need that but a few changes of faces will only help. From this 6 nations alone and due to bias based on man crushes on Farrell at 12 and Daly as well as not knowing your FB options I'd want to see Youngs, Ford, Farrell, Daly, Watson, Nowell, Brown. If you could get a playmaking 15 (Has Lozowski played much more there this season?) I'd quickly drop Ford and bring Te'o in too. The age profile and ruthless, wise, old **** stain you have coaching you will result in a stronger team year after year, trying to pry that trophy from your cold, dead hands won't be easy next year. Similar to us this 6n, you found out that you're not as good as you maybe thought but not a lot needs to be done to get there and even surpass it.


Look your not a coach so relax with your analysis, you probably played rugby in school in the b team.
 
Few issues here:
1. Stats showed and analysis our work at breakdown was Lot better and balanced yesterday. That was a call that media were wanting and it was also right. Also was great analysis oon how the change in backrow and balance benefitted centres. They could stay thay bit wider and Ringrose in particular looked more comfortable.

What stats? 61% possession yesterday, 60% v Italy, 58% v Scotland, 63% v France, 52% v Wales, that tells me Warburton and Tipuric are very good but equally our backrow was outstanding when it came to the breakdown. POM was a huge positive change at line out time but I don't think he added to the breakdown, certainly didn't take anything away either.

Apologies to Mr. O'Mahoney, I hope he understands that I really care little about anything south of Cisterian College Roscrea.
 
This.

TV3 did a great job with their World Cup coverage. While I thought Conor McNamara wasn't brilliant on commentary, every other aspect of their World Cup broadcasting was superior to RTE.

The real killer with TV3 was ads like remember Japan beat South Africa. They cut straight to a break. Killed the buzz a bit. Now I'm not sure was TV3 solely responsible for all ads etc. Maybe they will have learnt but on analysis it was good
 
I can tell Joe Schmidt is going to be a great addition to our little community
 
Guys Joe Schmidt has a point : none of us are coaches so we should all shut the hell up and go home. Might as well shut the forum down too, don't need it anymore.

Alpha Bro think you're pretty much spot on with most of that but will come back on it when I can bring myself to rewatch. I might have to turn the sound off to be honest as I'm not sure I can put myself through another 80 minutes of 60,000 green peasants booing at everything.

Just a point before I go back to crying into my pillow: isn't the elephant in the room for Ireland just how much more tempo Ireland had with marmion? I obviously rate Murray highly, but my god he's slow sometimes. And this England pack tends to be well organised. We probably would have been better in defence against Murray's backline.
 
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