5 vital players for each country ahead of the world cup?

[SelimNiai]

Its not just 1 though. By my count 4 people have got involved in this. So, as Nick said, quit the infantile name calling or another good thread is going to get closed

 

[goodNumber10]

Its not just 1 though. By my count 4 people have got involved in this. So, as Nick said, quit the infantile name calling or another good thread is going to get closed

fair enough - but can you not exclude people from the thread/segment rather than close it?

And also, whilst we're at it swearing seems to be highly tolerated again...

 

[SelimNiai]

Short of banning I don't think there is. If there is someone derailing just ignore or bring thread back on topic.

Swearing isnt tolerated, just I and most mods have work to do, we cant man every thread every second of the day so some may get missed, thats whats the report function is for, reporting genuinely offensive posts not just because someone has disagreed with someone else.

Carry on.

 

[valley commando]

Okay, no more name calling or I just close thread.

Absolutely agree, although my name calling has all been in retaliation, it seems that if certain people dont like a post they resort to personal insults, fact is I dont rate Robshaw am I not allowed to have adverse opinions of English players without being called a troll (a very over used word)

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off topic, so maybe one to move to suggestions but why close a perfectly good thread because of one persons poor behaviour..... just dish out a temporary ban, because lets face it it's not the first time we've been at this stage of petty insults being chucked around by certain people.

Can you, the mods, restrict people from posting in certain areas - i've been on other forums where to gain access to various areas you had to show a degree of good behaviour and regular posting (stopped the trolls).

Your behaviour has been poor, pot kettle etc

 

[ncurd]

Robshaw ?
He's ****e he wouldn't get in any of the top sides 15

Actually you made a deliberate incendiary flippant remark which is a hallmark of a troll. Got called one and then you proceeded to throw your toys out the pram even though the original reply apart from calling you a troll replied back on the topic.

So you don't rate Robshaw? So what? Loads people don't except you don't want to talk about that in reality otherwise you'd engage in a conversation after your initial post for once instead of after the flames burned down. All you're interested in is starting an argument.

 

[ZeroTwo]

Well then, no one seems to be having a pop at some of the smaller teams and in the spirit of hopeful ignorance here goes one for Japan:

Michael Leitch: The Kiwi born flanker has been there since his teens and captains the side. Anyone who follows the Chiefs know about his season this year? Anyway the top flight rugby experience should be invaluable.

Ayumu Goromaru: Talismanic fullback with a good boot. Was crucial to the win over Wales in 2013 and can be a dangerous runner (ask Romania or Georgia).

Toshiaki Hirose: Deadly winger with an ability to playmake in the middle of the park as well. Keeps opposition guessing.

Amanaki Mafi: Big ball carrying number 8. Can get over the gainline against most teams.

And controversially for the last place...

The coaching team: Eddie Jones has won the TriNations, world cup finalist with Australia, technical advisor to world cup winning Springboks as well as helping Japan put in some big performances against top teams. Lost narrowly against Wales and then beat convincingly (a second string side but still featuring Liam Williams, Owen Williams, Biggar, Bradley Davies etc). Former England captain Steve Borthwick as lineout/forwards coach, former France hooker Marc Dal Maso and former Wales assistant coach Leigh Jones in charge of defence.

This coaching team knows how to do the business over big teams. Samoa, Scotland and the USA all there for the taking and South Africa is a good opportunity to test themselves.

 

[valley commando]

Actually you made a deliberate incendiary flippant remark which is a hallmark of a troll. Got called one and then you proceeded to throw your toys out the pram even though the original reply apart from calling you a troll replied back on the topic.

So you don't rate Robshaw? So what? Loads people don't except you don't want to talk about that in reality otherwise you'd engage in a conversation after your initial post for once instead of after the flames burned down. All you're interested in is starting an argument.

My remark was not meant as incendiary or indeed flippant it was in response to my view that there are easily 5 players more vital to England than Robshaw, it doesnt take much to wind up some people does it. I suppose similar comments about Lydiate from some of you lot are acceptable but we arent allowed to say anything negative about English players.
The word Troll and term trolling is pathetic and mutes of playground name calling (something I have been guilty of I admit)
I dont however agree that arguments are all I'm interested in, a bit of banter maybe.
Lets stop being over sensitive and talk about rugby, maybe you could tell me which international side Robshaw could get in other than England, I personally couldnt see him in any of the following -:
New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Wales, Ireland or France.
One other question, if you could have 3 players from other international squads in your team who would they be ?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

My remark was not meant as incendiary or indeed flippant

Talk about backtracking - you called him, and i quote, "****e".
You didn't say there were 5 better, you said he was ****e and no good enough to play for a top side.

 

[ZeroTwo]

My remark was not meant as incendiary or indeed flippant it was in response to my view that there are easily 5 players more vital to England than Robshaw, it doesnt take much to wind up some people does it. I suppose similar comments about Lydiate from some of you lot are acceptable but we arent allowed to say anything negative about English players.
The word Troll and term trolling is pathetic and mutes of playground name calling (something I have been guilty of I admit)
I dont however agree that arguments are all I'm interested in, a bit of banter maybe.
Lets stop being over sensitive and talk about rugby, maybe you could tell me which international side Robshaw could get in other than England, I personally couldnt see him in any of the following -:
New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Wales, Ireland or France.
One other question, if you could have 3 players from other international squads in your team who would they be?

You should make that a thread.


I also think if someone came in and swore about Warburton, people would get pretty upset as well. Just present an argument calmly and people will reply calmly.

 

[ncurd]

The word Troll and term trolling is pathetic and mutes of playground name calling (something I have been guilty of I admit)
I dont however agree that arguments are all I'm interested in, a bit of banter maybe.
Lets stop being over sensitive and talk about rugby, maybe you could tell me which international side Robshaw could get in other than England, I personally couldnt see him in any of the following -:
New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Wales, Ireland or France.
One other question, if you could have 3 players from other international squads in your team who would they be ?

1) Do you actually know what a troll or trolling is? This where a person deliberately inflames & derails internet discussions for kicks and giggles. The internet is absolutely rife with people doing it and it's bloody annoying. It's not name calling it's trying to deal with an actual problem.

2) Assuming Robshaw plays 6 or 7 (because he can). NZ fair enough he won't budge McCaw or Kaino, same goes for POM & SOB in Ireland. Aus Fardy, SA Coetzee, France Le Roux, would all get dropped for him I suspect. As for Wales I think it depends on the coach Lancaster would take Robshaw, Gatland takes Warbs. I think it's a close run thing there.

3) Separate thread topic?

 

[valley commando]

Talk about backtracking - you called him, and i quote, "****e".
You didn't say there were 5 better, you said he was ****e and no good enough to play for a top side.

yes that is what I said, I am not back tracking, which top sides do you think he'd get in ?

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You should make that a thread.


I also think if someone came in and swore about Warburton, people would get pretty upset as well. Just present an argument calmly and people will reply calmly.

Point taken, however if someone had called Warbs ****e, I would respect their opinion, then argue against, I wouldnt use personal insults or that stupid modern term troll.

In some ways it would make an interesting thread, I would find it difficult to choose anymore than 2 to replace current 1st choice selections.

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1) Do you actually know what a troll or trolling is? This where a person deliberately inflames & derails internet discussions for kicks and giggles. The internet is absolutely rife with people doing it and it's bloody annoying. It's not name calling it's trying to deal with an actual problem.

2) Assuming Robshaw plays 6 or 7 (because he can). NZ fair enough he won't budge McCaw or Kaino, same goes for POM & SOB in Ireland. Aus Fardy, SA Coetzee, France Le Roux, would all get dropped for him I suspect. As for Wales I think it depends on the coach Lancaster would take Robshaw, Gatland takes Warbs. I think it's a close run thing there.

3) Separate thread topic?

1. Just think the term/word troll is annoying and used a substitute for a reasonable response.
2. I am aware many English like Robshaw, I don't rate him as an openside, to me he would be better utilised as a blindside, saying that I also would prefer Warbs on the blind with Tips at 7.
3. Agreed

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Well considering he is the captain and one of the first names on the sheet for England, who are a top side...

 

[Feicarsinn]

Well considering he is the captain and one of the first names on the sheet for England, who are a top side...

Ah, why'd you have to spoil a good post right at the end with guff like that?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Ah, why'd you have to spoil a good post right at the end with guff like that?

 

[goodNumber10]

*de-cloaks*

I can't belive i'm replying to you but:

yes that is what I said, I am not back tracking, which top sides do you think he'd get in ?

you're, quite deliberately, missing the whole point of Robshaw being vital to Englands campaign - he is their captain, he is their leader he represents the managements vision and also the players view point he is the bridge between the two parties.

If you don't understand how that makes him vital to the England cause then i don't kow how else to explain it - it's got nothing to do with his playing ability.

Point taken, however if someone had called Warbs ****e, I would respect their opinion, then argue against , I wouldnt use personal insults or that stupid modern term troll.

but that's exactly what you HAVE done.

1. Just think the term/word troll is annoying and used a substitute for a reasonable response.

Then don't act like one.

If you're not here for the/to troll the English posters then why have you not commented on any other nations players? why have you not used derogatory remarks about any other nations captains/players?

It's clear to everyone why.

2. I am aware many English like Robshaw, I don't rate him as an openside, to me he would be better utilised as a blindside, saying that I also would prefer Warbs on the blind with Tips at 7.

None of which has anything to do with the OP that i replied to and prompted your "he's sh*t" post.

Even if you want to now hide behind that "you should respect my opinion" guff, it's clear what you were doing and it got the response from people it deserved and the one you clearly wanted.

*re-blocks*

 

[Peat]

2) Assuming Robshaw plays 6 or 7 (because he can). NZ fair enough he won't budge McCaw or Kaino, same goes for POM & SOB in Ireland. Aus Fardy, SA Coetzee, France Le Roux, would all get dropped for him I suspect. As for Wales I think it depends on the coach Lancaster would take Robshaw, Gatland takes Warbs. I think it's a close run thing there.

3) Separate thread topic?

Australia can't drop Fardy without some major implications for their lineout, particularly if trying a) to include Skelton in the second row at any point or b) Playing Pocock and Hooper together; Robshaw would have to beat out one of that pair for a place imo.

Coetzee is a flat out better player than Robshaw imo and I would take him for England in a heartbeat (and Coetzee isn't a guaranted starter with everyone available).

Robshaw wouldn't get into the Wales back-row as long as they provide the hyper-specialised approach, at least not as first choice. Closest he'd get is to Lydiate imo, where's he no the same tackler but does a hell of a lot more on top of tackling. I'd consider that swap. Warburton, probably no, I'd prefer his extra pace.

I like Robshaw as a player a lot but would say there's a fair few better than himself out there, mainly because he lacks outstanding areas of specialism and is short of explosive power compared to most of his peers.

edit: And yes, three to steal would make a good new topic. If someone else doesn't make it it happen, I will.

 

[goodNumber10]

Australia can't drop Fardy without some major implications for their lineout, particularly if trying a) to include Skelton in the second row at any point or b) Playing Pocock and Hooper together; Robshaw would have to beat out one of that pair for a place imo.

Coetzee is a flat out better player than Robshaw imo and I would take him for England in a heartbeat (and Coetzee isn't a guaranted starter with everyone available).

Robshaw wouldn't get into the Wales back-row as long as they provide the hyper-specialised approach, at least not as first choice. Closest he'd get is to Lydiate imo, where's he no the same tackler but does a hell of a lot more on top of tackling. I'd consider that swap. Warburton, probably no, I'd prefer his extra pace.

I like Robshaw as a player a lot but would say there's a fair few better than himself out there, mainly because he lacks outstanding areas of specialism and is short of explosive power compared to most of his peers.

edit: And yes, three to steal would make a good new topic. If someone else doesn't make it it happen, I will.

all fair points, but not really relevant to my OP about why Robshaw is vital ahead of the world cup. *sorry pedant*

 

[ncurd]

like Robshaw as a player a lot but would say there's a fair few better than himself out there, mainly because he lacks outstanding areas of specialism and is short of explosive power compared to most of his peers.

I agree he'd be extremely unlikely to make the bench of world XV vs world xv B match. However my point was simply is it's not cut a dried he wouldn't make those teams I should of said could possibly get dropped.

Robshaw's main quality is he's good old fashioned workhorse. He does nothing flashy but will just keep tackling all day long. It's a great quality for a leader imo but when the chips are down you'd select flashier type guys if you had the choice.

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

all fair points, but not really relevant to my OP about why Robshaw is vital ahead of the world cup. *sorry pedant*

Robshaw always seems to me like a completely average person with no exceptional quality, who, through hard work and determination, etc, has pulled himself to the standard he's at today. Probably ********, but that's how I see him.

 

[psychic duck]

Even if you want to now hide behind that "you should respect my opinion" guff, it's clear what you were doing and it got the response from people it deserved and the one you clearly wanted.

That 'you should respect my opinion' line is one of the stupidest around as it implies that all opinions are worthy of respect. Everyone is entitled to their opinion yes, but others don't have to respect it. What people really mean when they use that line is 'I should be allowed to say whatever I want without censure'.