A Political Thread pt. 2

[Welsh Exile]

The UDA made this argument that some elements of PIRA were actively seeking a genocide of protestants in the North

Some elements of the conduct by both sides fit the definition previously posted.

Yeah that's a bit different though. I think it's safe to say if the IRA or the ANC or MLK or Ghandi etc etc had conducted themselves the way Hamas have we probably would've seen different outcomes.

 

[dirty harry]

Fair enough on the UN definition.

I disagree that they aren't Israel's goals, I think they always have been for the extremists in Israel. However, they were wary before on international reprisals and so have taken it slowly. However, like Putin, they've realised that the rest of the world, especially the West is all bark and no bite and they now realise that no one will actually stop them.

I mean your right, and when you say there are extremists who want eradication and displacement I have no doubt they are.

From an outsiders POV, Isrealnhave been careful to adhere to international guidelines, even having weekly and adhoc meetings and confirmations between international lawyers and the IDF. I'm not sayingntheyve been particularly successful, and I may be 100% wrong and giving Isreal too much credit at this stage, but we won't know that until there is Hague trials or not really will we.

 

[Which Tyler]

Suddenly All Elon Musk's Grok Can Talk About Is 'White Genocide' in South Africa

Elon Musk has spread false claims about 'white genocide' in South Africa, and now his chatbot Grok keeps bringing it up on X.

www.rollingstone.com

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

Wow. This should be compensation in the zillions. And yet another reason I'm glad we don't have the death penalty.

Peter Sullivan: Man jailed for 1986 murder acquitted after 38 years

Peter Sullivan is believed to have suffered the longest miscarriage of justice involving a living prisoner in British legal history

www.bbc.co.uk

So the government has a compensation scheme with a maximum payout of £1m for people wrongly imprisoned for more than 10 years.

Sounds a lot, but in my book doesn't even begin to scratch the surface for a ruined life and all the missed experiences and opportunities. Quite apart from the money he'll actually need for the rest of his life which may be 20+ years….pensionable age - he won't have built up any private pension, maybe he'll be granted a state one, but that by itself is barely subsistence.

He can also launch a civil action for additional compensation and I suspect any number of solicitors would be keen to take that on.

 

[Flankers' paradise]

Civilians have war "visited upon them" in every war. But I guess you think they want to wipe out the Palestinians and not Hamas and we fundamentally disagree there. They left Gaza pretty much well alone between 2005-2022 but yeah, I doubt we'll agree

Out of interest, do you think regardless of who was running Gaza that we would've seen the same results we're seeing now?

Apart from the major conflicts of: 2006, 2008/09, 2014 and 2021, and in 2007 tightening the blockade of Gaza and made it's policy of seperating it from the West Bank official ( something the ICJ declared illegal)

 

[dirty harry]

Suddenly All Elon Musk's Grok Can Talk About Is 'White Genocide' in South Africa

Elon Musk has spread false claims about 'white genocide' in South Africa, and now his chatbot Grok keeps bringing it up on X.

www.rollingstone.com

I love that now people are talking about the flaws in AI, and it isn't just the MAGAs posting videos of Alexa, Chatgpt, Meta and Gemini creating pictures of 'traditional' Europeans as black women, and refusing to talk about Trump assasination while giving a monologue about Biden lol.

If everyone is suspicious of AI, it can only be a good thing.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Apart from the major conflicts of: 2006, 2008/09, 2014 and 2021, and in 2007 tightening the blockade of Gaza and made it's policy of seperating it from the West Bank official ( something the ICJ declared illegal)

Was there any reasons for those conflicts or is it always Israel's fault? Is there any reason for the blockade? Are there any push and pull factors at all in your analysis or is it all one way?

No arguments from me on any of the West Bank stuff.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

So the government has a compensation scheme with a maximum payout of £1m for people wrongly imprisoned for more than 10 years.

Sounds a lot, but in my book doesn't even begin to scratch the surface for a ruined life and all the missed experiences and opportunities. Quite apart from the money he'll actually need for the rest of his life which may be 20+ years….pensionable age - he won't have built up any private pension, maybe he'll be granted a state one, but that by itself is barely subsistence.

He can also launch a civil action for additional compensation and I suspect any number of solicitors would be keen to take that on.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Was there any reasons for those conflicts or is it always Israel's fault? Is there any reason for the blockade? Are there any push and pull factors at all in your analysis or is it all one way?

No arguments from me on any of the West Bank stuff.

Israel claims terrorists are the reason for the conflicts, whilst simultaneously creating the perfect breeding ground for such groups. Between the conflicts Israel is routinely allowing settlers to enact violence on Palestinians, They are being pushed out of their homes and having entire villages demolished to make way for Israelis. Israel is engaged in constant land grabs in between the conflicts.

 

[Flankers' paradise]

Was there any reasons for those conflicts or is it always Israel's fault? Is there any reason for the blockade? Are there any push and pull factors at all in your analysis or is it all one way?

No arguments from me on any of the West Bank stuff.

I didn't say they were Israel's fault. you said there was nothing between 2005-22 and I corrected that. The stated aim of the total blockade in 2007 was to prevent weapons smuggling. if you want to research it in further detail then by all means but the wiki page gives enough overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
A family member has also been to Palestine/Israel many years ago and said that at each of the crossings there are essentially 2 gates, one for everyone else and one for Palestinians - easy enough for most people to get through but Palestinians can be held up for hours just for the sake of it or refused entry/exit without reason.
They've also largely prevented Gazans from exporting goods which means what economy they did have s basically non existent

 

[The Seeker]

Why Putin’s no-show at peace talks in Turkey is all part of his brutal pantomime

‘Putin is not strong in direct negotiations. He’s strong in playing games,’ a senior Ukrainian source tells chief international correspondent Bel Trew

www.independent.co.uk

 

[AlRums]

Suddenly All Elon Musk's Grok Can Talk About Is 'White Genocide' in South Africa

Elon Musk has spread false claims about 'white genocide' in South Africa, and now his chatbot Grok keeps bringing it up on X.

www.rollingstone.com

I can't see this behind a paywall, here's a guardian link on the same subject which I expect is near enough the same.

Musk’s AI Grok bot rants about ‘white genocide’ in South Africa in unrelated chats

X chatbot tells users it was ‘instructed by my creators’ to accept ‘white genocide as real and racially motivated’

www.theguardian.com

 

[AlRums]

So the government has a compensation scheme with a maximum payout of £1m for people wrongly imprisoned for more than 10 years.

Sounds a lot, but in my book doesn't even begin to scratch the surface for a ruined life and all the missed experiences and opportunities. Quite apart from the money he'll actually need for the rest of his life which may be 20+ years….pensionable age - he won't have built up any private pension, maybe he'll be granted a state one, but that by itself is barely subsistence.

He can also launch a civil action for additional compensation and I suspect any number of solicitors would be keen to take that on.

He's 68 now, so already pensionable age. Assume 20 years then that's his pension + 50k a year.

Even so, £1 mill for 38 years values his earnings potential at an average of circa £26k pa. Not much at all

Personally I think he should receive a minimum of £2-3 million.

 

[AlRums]

Israel claims terrorists are the reason for the conflicts, whilst simultaneously creating the perfect breeding ground for such groups. Between the conflicts Israel is routinely allowing settlers to enact violence on Palestinians, They are being pushed out of their homes and having entire villages demolished to make way for Israelis. Israel is engaged in constant land grabs in between the conflicts.

The one thing I'd add to that is, the illegal occupation of the West Bank and is one of the main drivers of the Israeli - Palestinian conflicts.

West Bank - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[AlRums]

'Most Transparent’ White House In History Keeps Majority Of Trump’s Remarks Secret

Trump's aides released just 20% of the transcripts of his speeches and interactions with the press over his first 100 days, excluding many of his most unhinged comments

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

 

[AlRums]

After Two SpaceX Explosions, U.K. Officials Ask FAA to Change Starship Flight Plans

Facing a significant increase in the number of SpaceX launches, British officials detailed their concerns about the safety of Turks and Caicos and other Caribbean territories after debris from an earlier failed launch littered beaches and roads.

www.propublica.org

It'll be interesting to see the response.

 

[AlRums]

The Trump Administration Leaned on African Countries. The Goal: Get Business for Elon Musk.

The State Department has intervened on behalf of Musk’s satellite internet company in five developing nations. In Gambia, U.S. diplomats have lobbied and browbeat at least seven government ministers as part of a “maximum pressure” campaign.

www.propublica.org

Musk starting to get his blood money.

 

[AlRums]

Watch: UK surgeon shares footage from Gaza hospital after deadly Israeli strike

Tuesday's strike killed 28 people, the Hamas-run civil defence said. Israel says it was a precise strike on Hamas.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[The Seeker]

US officials looking into former FBI chief Comey's '8647' post about Trump

(Reuters) -U.S. law enforcement officials said on Thursday they were looking into a social media post by former FBI Director James Comey depicting an image of "8647," which some Trump supporters interpreted as a threat against President Donald Trump. Comey, who was fired by Trump in 2017, later...

www.yahoo.com

 

[dirty harry]

The Trump Administration Leaned on African Countries. The Goal: Get Business for Elon Musk.

The State Department has intervened on behalf of Musk’s satellite internet company in five developing nations. In Gambia, U.S. diplomats have lobbied and browbeat at least seven government ministers as part of a “maximum pressure” campaign.

www.propublica.org

Musk starting to get his blood money.

Isn't ProPublica the award winning nonprofit, who around 2020 started taking anonymous donor money, that make up enlarge portion of its revenue and suddenly took a hard left turn and focused on just attacking conservative key players since?