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A Political Thread pt. 2

The UDA made this argument that some elements of PIRA were actively seeking a genocide of protestants in the North

Some elements of the conduct by both sides fit the definition previously posted.
Yeah that's a bit different though. I think it's safe to say if the IRA or the ANC or MLK or Ghandi etc etc had conducted themselves the way Hamas have we probably would've seen different outcomes.
 
Fair enough on the UN definition.

I disagree that they aren't Israel's goals, I think they always have been for the extremists in Israel. However, they were wary before on international reprisals and so have taken it slowly. However, like Putin, they've realised that the rest of the world, especially the West is all bark and no bite and they now realise that no one will actually stop them.
I mean your right, and when you say there are extremists who want eradication and displacement I have no doubt they are.

From an outsiders POV, Isrealnhave been careful to adhere to international guidelines, even having weekly and adhoc meetings and confirmations between international lawyers and the IDF. I'm not sayingntheyve been particularly successful, and I may be 100% wrong and giving Isreal too much credit at this stage, but we won't know that until there is Hague trials or not really will we.
 
Wow. This should be compensation in the zillions. And yet another reason I'm glad we don't have the death penalty.


So the government has a compensation scheme with a maximum payout of £1m for people wrongly imprisoned for more than 10 years.

Sounds a lot, but in my book doesn't even begin to scratch the surface for a ruined life and all the missed experiences and opportunities. Quite apart from the money he'll actually need for the rest of his life which may be 20+ years….pensionable age - he won't have built up any private pension, maybe he'll be granted a state one, but that by itself is barely subsistence.

He can also launch a civil action for additional compensation and I suspect any number of solicitors would be keen to take that on.
 
Civilians have war "visited upon them" in every war. But I guess you think they want to wipe out the Palestinians and not Hamas and we fundamentally disagree there. They left Gaza pretty much well alone between 2005-2022 but yeah, I doubt we'll agree

Out of interest, do you think regardless of who was running Gaza that we would've seen the same results we're seeing now?
Apart from the major conflicts of: 2006, 2008/09, 2014 and 2021, and in 2007 tightening the blockade of Gaza and made it's policy of seperating it from the West Bank official ( something the ICJ declared illegal)
 
I love that now people are talking about the flaws in AI, and it isn't just the MAGAs posting videos of Alexa, Chatgpt, Meta and Gemini creating pictures of 'traditional' Europeans as black women, and refusing to talk about Trump assasination while giving a monologue about Biden lol.

If everyone is suspicious of AI, it can only be a good thing.
 
Apart from the major conflicts of: 2006, 2008/09, 2014 and 2021, and in 2007 tightening the blockade of Gaza and made it's policy of seperating it from the West Bank official ( something the ICJ declared illegal)
Was there any reasons for those conflicts or is it always Israel's fault? Is there any reason for the blockade? Are there any push and pull factors at all in your analysis or is it all one way?

No arguments from me on any of the West Bank stuff.
 
So the government has a compensation scheme with a maximum payout of £1m for people wrongly imprisoned for more than 10 years.

Sounds a lot, but in my book doesn't even begin to scratch the surface for a ruined life and all the missed experiences and opportunities. Quite apart from the money he'll actually need for the rest of his life which may be 20+ years….pensionable age - he won't have built up any private pension, maybe he'll be granted a state one, but that by itself is barely subsistence.

He can also launch a civil action for additional compensation and I suspect any number of solicitors would be keen to take that on.
Justice delayed is justice denied.
 
Was there any reasons for those conflicts or is it always Israel's fault? Is there any reason for the blockade? Are there any push and pull factors at all in your analysis or is it all one way?

No arguments from me on any of the West Bank stuff.
Israel claims terrorists are the reason for the conflicts, whilst simultaneously creating the perfect breeding ground for such groups. Between the conflicts Israel is routinely allowing settlers to enact violence on Palestinians, They are being pushed out of their homes and having entire villages demolished to make way for Israelis. Israel is engaged in constant land grabs in between the conflicts.
 
Was there any reasons for those conflicts or is it always Israel's fault? Is there any reason for the blockade? Are there any push and pull factors at all in your analysis or is it all one way?

No arguments from me on any of the West Bank stuff.
I didn't say they were Israel's fault. you said there was nothing between 2005-22 and I corrected that. The stated aim of the total blockade in 2007 was to prevent weapons smuggling. if you want to research it in further detail then by all means but the wiki page gives enough overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
A family member has also been to Palestine/Israel many years ago and said that at each of the crossings there are essentially 2 gates, one for everyone else and one for Palestinians - easy enough for most people to get through but Palestinians can be held up for hours just for the sake of it or refused entry/exit without reason.
They've also largely prevented Gazans from exporting goods which means what economy they did have s basically non existent
 
I can't see this behind a paywall, here's a guardian link on the same subject which I expect is near enough the same.

 
So the government has a compensation scheme with a maximum payout of £1m for people wrongly imprisoned for more than 10 years.

Sounds a lot, but in my book doesn't even begin to scratch the surface for a ruined life and all the missed experiences and opportunities. Quite apart from the money he'll actually need for the rest of his life which may be 20+ years….pensionable age - he won't have built up any private pension, maybe he'll be granted a state one, but that by itself is barely subsistence.

He can also launch a civil action for additional compensation and I suspect any number of solicitors would be keen to take that on.
He's 68 now, so already pensionable age. Assume 20 years then that's his pension + 50k a year.

Even so, £1 mill for 38 years values his earnings potential at an average of circa £26k pa. Not much at all

Personally I think he should receive a minimum of £2-3 million.
 
Israel claims terrorists are the reason for the conflicts, whilst simultaneously creating the perfect breeding ground for such groups. Between the conflicts Israel is routinely allowing settlers to enact violence on Palestinians, They are being pushed out of their homes and having entire villages demolished to make way for Israelis. Israel is engaged in constant land grabs in between the conflicts.
The one thing I'd add to that is, the illegal occupation of the West Bank and is one of the main drivers of the Israeli - Palestinian conflicts.

 

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Musk starting to get his blood money.
Isn't ProPublica the award winning nonprofit, who around 2020 started taking anonymous donor money, that make up enlarge portion of its revenue and suddenly took a hard left turn and focused on just attacking conservative key players since?
 

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