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Google Spencer, he doesn't seem to have any balance when it comes to itrael, I watched most of it and was very unimpressed with him as an "expert"
Reform UK deputy Leicestershire County Council leader removed - BBC News
Joseph Boam, 22, is also removed from his position as cabinet member for social care.
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That is an  extraordinarily punchable face.Reform UK deputy Leicestershire County Council leader removed - BBC News
Joseph Boam, 22, is also removed from his position as cabinet member for social care.
More asylum hotels face legal challenge after court ruling
Nigel Farage says Reform UK-controlled councils will do everything in their power to close the hotels.
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These reform council are going to love their asylum ghettos.
This country disgusts me more every single dayMore asylum hotels face legal challenge after court ruling
Nigel Farage says Reform UK-controlled councils will do everything in their power to close the hotels.
These reform council are going to love their asylum ghettos.
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You know, you should set up a main register, and have people sign up to house refugees like they did Ukrainians...
I think that would help alleviate tensions in the local communities, save the government momoneynot incentivise hotel owners to exploit government contracts, keep asylum seekers safer than lumping them all in these pits, create a more tailored and hollistic introduction to british society, and people who are passionate about helping can contribute and feel good.
You can try NACCOM, and refugees at home if you want to help?
If you attended these hotels, and saw what was going on youd seriously think about it!
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His credentials are pretty good and some of his analysis seems ok however his inability to criticise Israel on even obvious things they’ve gotten wrong makes me question some of his analysis even if it seems sound. As I say, I’ll stick to Benny (even though he’s not a war expert)
Steady you'll get three and a half years for inciting violence.
I love that he even admits to doing literally nothing.Reform UK deputy Leicestershire County Council leader removed - BBC News
Joseph Boam, 22, is also removed from his position as cabinet member for social care.
Despite not being in that role anymore, nothing has changed.
Not if I punch it first
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I think someone should tweet this phrase and include him, see what happens?
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I wonder why we don't have some sort of dedicated high capacity facility to house these people by now? Surely at this stage it would be cheaper and he'll streamline things?
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Ok, so leaving the USA thread aside, there has been investigation into this in previous years...
Its not politically convenient, mostly because one side of the isle will claim preferential treatment, and we are accommodating illegal migrants, and the other, and probably the first side will call them cages and inhumane, not to mention the human rights lawyers licking their lips...
There were cases in Wales and probably elsehwere of using old military barracks, but they were deemed inhuman, and location is usually rural caused mayhem in the community.
The truth is, these hotels may once have been 4 star etc, but the become slums very quickly, crime is rife, desperation leads these guys (there are some women and family regardless of whats reported) to go steal food, and their limbo status lead to distraught and usually drug and alcohol to cope of the loneliness, missing family, lack of cultural entities which then exasperates the problems.
Hotels are a no win scenario, but charities cant find willing hosts for 20 year old men, who have difficult attitudes and behaviours to deal with.
I have a new client im meeting this week, all the worrying trigger word 'cultural differences' 'struggles with specific demographics' 'complex relationship with children'.
Hell be ok, he just needs to be properly educated, and have something meaningfully to do while he awaits his status.
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You'd imagine a dedicated facility is a lesser of all evils approach. It will be coddling luxury to one side and imprisonment to the other but, as long as it's reasonable and can demonstrably deal with some of the issues relating to the hotels you mentioned, I think both sides could begrudgingly accept it. The reform lot would happily have us shoot them on sight, which is clearly never going to happen, whilst the fat left would have us embrace then all with no regard for cultural integration, the economy and local issues.
The only thing both sides are in is the system should be more efficient, quicker and cheaper.
Wasn't that part of the legal arguement they aren't hotels and claiming they are was wrong and abuse of the application process
It's no more a hotel than a borstal is.
Not paying customers or taking paying customers etc. If a property or pub etc was causing problems it can be closed or an eviction notice served.
The problem is closing it isn't solving the issue it's just being moved else where.
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I'd agree with a lot of that, a common sense approach to what is called the 'boat crossings' would be to make them as tough as possible (not dangerous,just dealt with the other side, and have a better avenue for asylum to promote that instead of risking the crossing), but to have sensible cost effective accommodation to deal with those that turn up, with safeguards for the seekers, and reassurances for small local communities etc...
Those headlines dont get clicks though, your either an open borders guru, or a shoot on sight psycho. Politically common sense is just a no go, complex conversations arent pertinent.
There is one last element though, the lies these guys are told before they leave home, by the traffickers is wild, instant wealth, free rent, cars and ive even been asked when 'do I get my white wife'. This leads to a high level of entitlement, added to charities placating and offering too much, which then leads to disappointment, desperation and anger. A lot of these guys are pretty angry! Human right personelle seem to linger like flies around ****, the amount of formal complaints im asked to write by some of them, about the hotel, staff, local people etc hahaha
There is a steep learning curve, and I liken them to Benidorm brits who dont learn Spanish, local custom, get into trouble locally etc, lumping them all together doesnt help, black markets, crime and fighting is rife, some of them are mear teenage children at 18/19 and have been abused for years while travelling.
Im pro dispersal, finding host families and having them live with locals separately, but again, even those who advocate on their behalf the most, won't assist in the homing process.
I looked at it a few years ago, but no chance.
Like Bibi Stockholm you mean?
EX MOD bases would have been ideal but the married quarter housing was probably worse than what they left in their country of origin
It's been 10 years since this famous confrontation!
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