AP Final: Northampton Saints V Saracens, SAT 15:00 BST

[TRF_Olyy]

But....it was a forward pass.
Sarries can be furious if they want, but if they'd have won because of that/a law technicality then it'd be the hollowest of hollow victories.

I've got no problems with the TMO asking if he wants the referee to check something, as the referee can't see anything, I see this as no different to a touch judge asking. I've seen before where a TMO has mentioned to a referee that there'd been foul play in back play, and they've gone and checked and seen it.
No idea if this is technically allowed (I imagine not, from the amount of winging coming from some fez heads) but it should be, imo.

 

[Peat]

It's absurd that a TMO can't act like a linesman - but it is absurd if a game of that magnitude is decided by an official acting completely out of line of protocol.

We have long said that we don't mind if refs get the odd one wrong as long as they're consistent - was this action consistent? I don't know.

I've been saying this for a bit now but the way the game is reffed needs to be reviewed and improved drastically. If the game is to continue growing, then there cannot be a perception of the ref being the most important figure on the pitch.

 

[titans12]

I know the pass was forward , as I said the call was correct I just feel tmo's should only offer their opinion when asked . Otherwise we could have every passage of play scrutinised to death, which would ruin our great game. Im not sure about the winning try either too , massive call, I honestly could not tell, big big call . To lose the prem final on the opinion of one man when even the ref said he could not tell must leave a bad taste.

 

[goodNumber10]

I felt the winning try was knocked on in the grounding...

It was a forward pass, and I have no issues with the TMO among it, but not 3 minutes later.

 

[ratsapprentice]

I felt the winning try was knocked on in the grounding...

It wasn't - there was a camera angle (from behind him - filming the soles of his feet/back) that clearly showed his hand in constant contact with the ball.

 

[Tony Manx]

It wasn't - there was a camera angle (from behind him - filming the soles of his feet/back) that clearly showed his hand in constant contact with the ball.

Agree...brave call but easily the correct decision and, for me, I would prefer for the best side, in this case, Saints, to win rather than the for them to lose by virtue of an error by the officials.

I did think it really weird that the try was given and then rescinded as I do believe the decision of the ref should be final but the correct decision was made without any doubt. Also although Doyle was not willing or going to give the winning try, the TMO strongly committed himself to giving it and it was, again, the right decision.

 

[shtove]

Superb match. Great defence, but two amazing tries from Saints.

Thank you, English rugby.

 

[Bull]

I watched the final and the quality of rugby was excellent, without a shadow of a doubt way more exciting than the rubbish Super Rugby.

 

[ratsapprentice]

http://talksport.com/rugby-union/full-contact-sunday-june-1-14060293927

13 minutes in.... "not sour grapes". :lol:

 

[goodNumber10]

It wasn't - there was a camera angle (from behind him - filming the soles of his feet/back) that clearly showed his hand in constant contact with the ball.

That's the angle i'm basing it on. To me it looks like it leaves his hands/he doesn't have control.


The other angles don't really show anything.

 

[goodNumber10]

http://talksport.com/rugby-union/full-contact-sunday-june-1-14060293927

13 minutes in.... "not sour grapes". :lol:

Heheh!

 

[ratsapprentice]

That's the angle i'm basing it on. To me it looks like it leaves his hands/he doesn't have control.

I don't want to sound arrogant, or that I'm telling you what to think - but I don't accept that it's subjective.
That camera angle is definitive - it's a high res, high FPS camera with an unobscured view of his hands and the ball.

I accept that there is no absolutely definitive footage showing the ball touching the line - but it's beyond reasonable (i.e. non-biased/emotional) doubt that it was IMO.

 

[Tony Manx]

That's the angle i'm basing it on. To me it looks like it leaves his hands/he doesn't have control.


The other angles don't really show anything.

...actually it does not matter, the score and result is in the record book!!

 

[goodNumber10]

...actually it does not matter, the score and result is in the record book!!

Well quite, but then what is the point of this forum if not to discuss these things?

 

[goodNumber10]

I don't want to sound arrogant, or that I'm telling you what to think - but I don't accept that it's subjective.
That camera angle is definitive - it's a high res, high FPS camera with an unobscured view of his hands and the ball.

I accept that there is no absolutely definitive footage showing the ball touching the line - but it's beyond reasonable (i.e. non-biased/emotional) doubt that it was IMO.

Well I haven't got access to the footage so I'm basing it on watching the game two days ago in real-time.

In recollection it is how I saw it, maybe when I've afforded it the CSI-TRF treatment I'll agree.

 

[jonny24]

I also thought it was potentially knocked on, but I was watching at pretty low resolution so I could be wrong. Anyway, hell of exciting match. I feel bad for Saracens, not that I like them but I dislike them less.