Martin Johnson Era has Begun.

Discussion in 'International Test Matches' started by SecondRow04, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. SecondRow04

    SecondRow04 Guest

    England Senior Elite Player Squad

    Steve Borthwick Saracens

    George Chuter Leicester Tigers

    Jordan Crane *Leicester Tigers

    Tom Croft Leicester Tigers

    Dylan Hartley*Northampton Saints

    James Haskell London Wasps

    Nick Kennedy *London Irish

    Lee Mears Bath Rugby

    Lewis Moody Leicester Tigers

    Luke Narraway Gloucester Rugby

    Tom Palmer London Wasps

    Tim Payne London Wasps

    Tom Rees London Wasps

    Simon Shaw London Wasps

    Andrew Sheridan Sale Sharks

    Matt Stevens Bath Rugby

    Phil Vickery London Wasps


    Olly Barkley Gloucester Rugby

    Danny Care Harlequins

    Harry Ellis Leicester Tigers

    Toby Flood Leicester Tigers

    Riki Flutey *London Wasps

    Shane Geraghty London Irish

    Dan Hipkiss Leicester Tigers

    Josh Lewsey London Wasps

    Jamie Noon Newcastle Falcons

    Pete Richards London Irish

    Paul Sackey London Wasps

    James Simpson-Daniel Gloucester Rugby

    Mathew Tait Sale Sharks

    Tom Varndell Leicester Tigers

    Jonny Wilkinson Newcastle Falcons

    Saxons Squad


    Steffon Armitage London Irish

    Richard Blaze Leicester Tigers

    Louis Deacon Leicester Tigers

    Nick Easter Harlequins

    Jack Forster Gloucester Rugby

    Tom Guest Harlequins

    Jason Hobson Bristol Rugby

    Chris Jones Sale Sharks

    Ben Kay Leicester Tigers

    Michael Lipman Bath Rugby

    David Paice London Irish

    George Skivington *London Wasps

    Andy Titterrell Gloucester Rugby

    Joe Ward *London Wasps

    David Wilson *Newcastle Falcons

    Nick Wood *Gloucester Rugby

    Joe Worsley London Wasps


    Nick Abendanon Bath Rugby

    Anthony Allen Gloucester Rugby

    Matt Banahan Bath Rugby

    Mike Brown Harlequins

    Danny Cipriani London Wasps

    Ben Foden Northampton Saints

    Andy Goode Leicester Tigers

    Paul Hodgson London Irish

    Ryan Lamb Gloucester Rugby

    Ugo Monye Harlequins

    Topsy Ojo London Irish

    David Strettle Harlequins

    Mike Tindall Gloucester Rugby

    Dominic Waldouck *London Wasps

    Richard Wigglesworth Sale Sharks

    some good picks, shame Ojo got demoted thought he played pretty well against NZ, Charlie Hodgson gone from the set up completley. Mike Tindal Demoted as well. Riki Flutey is a surprise but hes fairly good and if he is able to play for England then all the best. i would have liked Lesley Vainikolo in either sqaud so he can develop better as a player. Johnny Wilkinson is the only specialist fly half in the squad..

    Let the Martin Johnson Era Begin! :)
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  3. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    Varndell better than Strettle and Ojo?
  4. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    England elite squad:
    Tim Payne (Wasps), Mite says: Yay!
    Andrew Sheridan (Sale), Mite says: To be expected. Lets see some form.
    Matt Stevens (Bath), Mite says: Yay!
    Phil Vickery (Wasps), Mite says: Booooooooo! Stupid, wasteful selection.
    George Chuter (Leicester), Mite says: Back-up needed I suppose
    Dylan Hartley (Northampton), Mite says: Yay! About time!
    Lee Mears (Bath), Mite says: Boooooooo! Selected by the Bath Mafia.
    Steve Borthwick (Saracens), Mite says: A fair selection on form
    Nick Kennedy (London Irish), Mite says: Yay, let's see him get some game time
    Tom Palmer (Wasps), Mite says: Will fight his way into the XXII
    Simon Shaw (Wasps), Mite says: Long in the tooth now but will do the job
    Tom Croft (Leicester), Mite says: Yay! Give him game time
    James Haskell (Wasps), Mite says: When good, he's worth the spot
    Lewis Moody (Leicester), Mite says: Oh god, not this s*it again…
    Tom Rees (Wasps), Mite says: Yay! The best 7 in the country needs a shirt
    Jordan Crane (Leicester), Mite says: Yay! An out-and-out 8 with quality!
    Luke Narraway (Gloucester). Mite says: Pitty his talent doesn't match his commitment.

    Josh Lewsey (Wasps), Mite says: One step forwards, 2 steps back.
    Mathew Tait (Sale), Mite says: Oh goody, Rob Andrews lovechild…
    Paul Sackey (Wasps), Mite says: He'll do for the bench
    James Simpson-Daniel (Gloucester), Mite says: Yay! About time!
    Tom Varndell (Leicester), Mite says: Oh FFS
    Dan Hipkiss (Leicester), Mite says: Yay! A good 13 at last!
    Jamie Noon (Newcastle), Mite says: Oh FFS
    Olly Barkley (Gloucester), Mite says: Won't play much…
    Toby Flood (Leicester), Mite says: Yay! A 10!
    Riki Flutey (Wasps), Mite says: Yay! A 12!
    Shane Geraghty (London Irish), Mite says: Yay! A player!
    Jonny Wilkinson (Newcastle), Mite says: Oh f*** right off Tabloid selections…
    Danny Care (Harlequins), Mite says: Yay! The bestest 9 we have!
    Harry Ellis (Leicester), Mite says: Playing for Leicester apparently warrents selection on its own.
    Pete Richards (London Irish), Mite says: K…

    Overall... Too many of Johnsons Leicester mates combined with the RFU old boys network means the wrong players will get starts and nothing will change. Pitty.
  5. candybum

    candybum Guest

    Riki Flutey?? lol good on the guy.

    Hey thought everyone said Wilkinson is gone burgers, whats up with that guy anyways? maybe Johnson was put him in there because he won them the world cup? lol
  6. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    So England fans, what is your best XV from that squad? Anybody else think picking Varndell over Ojo and Strettle is baffling? As is picking Andy Goode and Tindall for Saxons.
  7. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Well, he's [Wilkinson] done nothing to warrant selection.

    From that;

    1. Sheridan
    2. Hartley
    3. Stevens
    4. Kennedy
    5. Palmer
    6. Croft
    7. Rees
    8. Crane
    9. Care
    10. Flood (Cipriani when fit)
    11. Simpson-Daniel
    12. Flutey/Geherety
    13. Hipkiss
    14. Sackey
    15. Lewsey
  8. nam97

    nam97 Guest

    Yeah I reckon, that kinda leaped out at me. Haven't heard or seen his name for about 2 years.
  9. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    Yeah I reckon, that kinda leaped out at me. Haven't heard or seen his name for about 2 years.
    Really? Us who discuss NH rugby have had to suffer the English jabbering on about his future all year. <_<
  10. Macsen

    Macsen Guest

    The start of a new error!
  11. Gavin

    Gavin Guest

    <div align="left">Not sure why Peter Richards has been included in the Elite Squad, same with Wilkinson and Chuter. Would have rather seen Ryan Lamb in the squad instead of Jonny with Cipriani in brackets.</div>
  12. Fa'atau82

    Fa'atau82 Guest

    Good squad, some players who have reps to earn or re-kindle though.

    You have to keep some vets while in transition.

    Good on JSD, it's about time!
  13. Cymro

    Cymro Guest

    Some interesting players been selected and I have to admit selecting Wilko is not the greatest thing but who else do they have to fill the 10 void?
  14. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    I think the reason why Ojo and Strettle were dropped down a team was because they broke Jonno's cardinal rule from the Sir Clive era: be the story on the back pages, not the front. Strettle may have been an energiser bunny in bed, but that doesn't do well for his chances under Martin Johnson and I'm sure he's made that perfectly clear in private.

    In a word: brave. We're finally starting to discard the chaff from the real sidewinder missiles. Sure, he has picked a fair few from Leicester but look at who he's picked: Crane, Croft, Ellis. Flood & Moody. Ellis I couldn't care less about other than we don't want to end up with another crisis at 9 again so I support having three scrum halves.

    Whats really brave? The fact that he's chosen Johnny Wilkinson as the only specialist ten without any basis performance wise at all. Thats going to come back to bite him on the arse.

    Crane, Croft and Flood merit their inclusion, the first two on sheer talent and form alone. Moody as well has learnt to be incredibly aggressive without giving away the needless penalties or get binned every game like Grewcock. In any case, in this brave new world of rewarding cheats with free-kicks instead of punishing them with three points or tries however, Moody's discipline problems seem remarkably old hat anyway.

    Finally however, with the phalanx of Geraghty, Hipkiss and Flutey we have some centers with get up and go, va va voom, ka-pow, zing and other batman-esque sound effects. At the very least have the intelligence to throw missed passes to leave out Noon and pick out the likes of JSD anyway!

    Like I said, I like this squad of 32 and Jonno has said he is not afraid to promote from the Saxons squad in the event of injury if he feels that the replacements in the elite squad aren't up for it at that moment in time. Competition is the key and this fosters it.

    I'll post an XV later.
  15. SecondRow04

    SecondRow04 Guest

    My 22 Would be..

    2. Hartley
    3. Stevens
    4. Shaw
    5. Kennedy
    6. Haskell
    7. Rees
    8. Crane
    9. Care
    10. Flood
    11. Simpson Daniel
    12. Flutey
    13. Hipkiss
    14. Lewsey
    15. Tait

    16. Mears
    17. Vickery
    18. Palmer/Borthwick/Croft
    19. Croft/Moody
    20. Sackey
    21. Geraghty
    22. Noon/ Barkley

    i understand that varndell was picked because of strettle and ojo's behavoir but i would much rather have Banahan or Vainikolo as cover. I think England need a powerful winger in the squad.
  16. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    Right, my XV:

    1. Sheridan
    2. Hartley
    3. Stevens
    4. Shaw
    5. Kennedy
    6. Haskell
    7. Rees
    8. Crane
    9. Care
    10. Geraghty
    11. James Simpson-Daniel
    12. Flutey
    13. Hipkiss
    14. Sackey
    15. Tait

    Tah-dah. Winnars!
  17. peppers07

    peppers07 Guest

    Wilkinson is past it and shouldny shouldnt have been been picked I think lamb or Geraghty would have been better until Cipriani is fit again. I havnt seen a lot of the Guiness premiership this season only about five matchs but from what ive seen of Ben Foden he should be in the senior sqaud. Is he bad at defence or something?
  18. errlloyd

    errlloyd Guest

    I think its fair to say Epic Fail on that coach.
  19. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    Wow! That probably ranks as least useful comment of the month so far! Congratulations!

    Are you going to elaborate on that utterly wonderful statement or are you just going to sit there and continue to stew over the one-dimensioned likes of Jamie Noon pwning Ireland earlier this year?
  20. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    Nope, it's just he can be suicidal at times. While he does many magnificent things, he does some downright dreadful things aswell - Wasps interception try against Sale in Adams Park this year; we could have had a vital losing bp if he didn't do that. (Then again, we could have had bonus points many-a-time this year.) <_<
  21. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    The problem with Wilko is that he needs a strong willed pair of guys at center to take the pressure off of him. If there are others doing the thinking for him, he is very good when left to his own devices. However, if all the pressure is on him to do something and direct the team, he just self-destructs. I think the Six Nations this year was a perfect illustration of that....

    ...especially with that crazy 'pass' to Cipriani in the Wales game..ugh...I can't unsee what I saw during those crazy, crazy 40 minutes...
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