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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (feicarsinn @ Jan 13 2010, 07:10 PM)
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Improving based on what? Viadana were better a few years back and no one has yet to play Treviso in semi-decent weather so their lack of ability behind the pack wasn't exposed.
One flukey win in the rain doesn't make them a better team in my books.[/b]
People said that about Leinster in last years Heineken cup. I'm not saying Treviso will win the whole tournament any time soon, but it's very easy to write someone off like that.
Pride before the fall.
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Not the same at all. We'd always been able to beat top class opposition but lacked the consistancy to go all the way. We were fairly consistant in getting out of our groups for a few years before (excluding the season we were drawn with Toulouse and Leicester) whereas Treviso have been cack for years and beat one of the worst supposedly big teams in Europe.
I hate the way Munster fans can say "ohhh now look if we get the win we'll be happy". If it was Leinster we'd be getting called screw ups again for not winning by 50 points.
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Can't agree there because either media or Leinster built themselves up in past not Munster fans etc.
Like obviously if Munster scraped a win vs Treviso then media etc will say there is massive problems but like Munster trained for 1st time in 3weeks on grass today and nearly all 1st team excluding a few have been on holiday since Perpignan game so some will be slightly rusty.
Under them CIRCUMSTANCES against a Treviso team who have fared well at home in H'Cup I don't see your point like we in a group where Bonus Points are prctically irrelevant at this stage.
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My point is Munster should be travelling to Italy looking for 5 tries, regardless of all those obstacles. Their pack is made up 8(ish) internationals and with players of the calibre or Warwick, DeVilliers and Howlett in their backline anything less than 30 points against what is still poor opposition would be a disappointment.
As for bonus points not being important, say Saints beat Munster in Thomond. Then Munster would most certainly need an extra point or two to be in line for a best runner up spot.