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Steve-o
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Jul 6 2009, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Ja that, but he's still a two faced racist.
Ja that, but he's still a two faced racist.
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KZNSharksFan
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU* This is what we have to deal with guys. At least its good to know that some people in SA can keep their jobs without actually doing their job :angry: (see stofile's little ramble). Seriously, Stofile made some comments totally innapropriate for someone in such a position of power and influence.
PDV struggles to string coherent sentences together, I seriously doubt whether the buffoon can handle the complexity of the great game that is rugby. He's riding on the success of 4 years of careful nurturing on the part of Jake White. Once Smit, Matfield or a few other experienced players leave, he'll be exposed to all as the sad, undiagnosed result of severe glue abuse that i'm sure lurks beneath that moustache. Already, the Boks once superbly organised defence is showing cracks that give great cause for concern!
Bugger it, I don't know anymore, I think i'm going crazy :blink:
PDV struggles to string coherent sentences together, I seriously doubt whether the buffoon can handle the complexity of the great game that is rugby. He's riding on the success of 4 years of careful nurturing on the part of Jake White. Once Smit, Matfield or a few other experienced players leave, he'll be exposed to all as the sad, undiagnosed result of severe glue abuse that i'm sure lurks beneath that moustache. Already, the Boks once superbly organised defence is showing cracks that give great cause for concern!
Bugger it, I don't know anymore, I think i'm going crazy :blink:
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BokMagic
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Well Stofile, how could you? I mean, seriously, how could you want to deny a man his well-earned dop?????????????
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shtove
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That settles it. I'm a PDV fan.
He who draws lightning from the socialist storm is a hero.
He who draws lightning from the socialist storm is a hero.
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Boggle
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I say it's all just a ploy.
Stofile knows he's an idiot and hated by pretty much everyone, with comments like these people are going to unfortunately have to agree with him, thus gaining him some social capital.
I see right through your clever tricks asshole, go crawl back into the depths of hades you came from.
Stofile knows he's an idiot and hated by pretty much everyone, with comments like these people are going to unfortunately have to agree with him, thus gaining him some social capital.
I see right through your clever tricks asshole, go crawl back into the depths of hades you came from.
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jim lewis
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Jul 6 2009, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
No, but anyone who meets him at the bottom of a ruck could be..............
Is Schalk Burger blind?[/b]
No, but anyone who meets him at the bottom of a ruck could be..............
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savundra92
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jim Lewis @ Jul 13 2009, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
No, but anyone who meets him at the bottom of a ruck could be..............
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hahahaha. but seriously i dont like the attitude to what peter de villiers is doing. but that is only my opinion
Is Schalk Burger blind?
No, but anyone who meets him at the bottom of a ruck could be..............
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hahahaha. but seriously i dont like the attitude to what peter de villiers is doing. but that is only my opinion
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wayner
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Do you guys still feel like PdV is likely to get fired? The Boks are looking pretty awesome right now - beating the Lions 2 out of 3, winning two against the ABs and now the Wallabies. If the Boks wint the TriNations he is pretty much set for a while, is he not?
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Boggle
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All De Villiers did was actually listen to what everyone had been saying all along, start with the better defensive midfield, start playing Brussouw and get rid of the insane running rugby and return to the pragmatic and structured play that won us a world cup about 2 years ago.
He inherited one of the best teams -of all time- it was an amazing achievement that he managed to cock 2008 up in the first place, he might be getting some sense into him at last but I'm still not entirely sold on him, after the ridiculous stuff he's done before.
He inherited one of the best teams -of all time- it was an amazing achievement that he managed to cock 2008 up in the first place, he might be getting some sense into him at last but I'm still not entirely sold on him, after the ridiculous stuff he's done before.
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gingergenius
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Boggle @ Aug 12 2009, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
de Villiers may say some stupid nutty things and he may only have been given the job because he's coloured, but you can't argue with the stats: World No. 1 team; Lions tour victors and currently ******* all over the Tri Nations and looking invincible. If your team's doing so well then there's no need to get rid of the coach.
You say he's inherited the World Cup team and had it all made... but if you inherit the best team in the world, you can't possibly improve on that!!! All he can do is stay the same or go backwards. What he has done is taken a team that won a RWC as the 2nd best side in the world, and 2 years later they are in the dominant position NZ and England have enjoyed this decade - almost invincible. Like Clive Woodward, the coach may be an arsehole and may have a great player basis to do the job, but they still have to pick the right teams to win matches, and they do.
Give PdV a break until he f***s up, which I suspect (and I may get a roasting for this) some white south africans can't wait to happen.
de Villiers may say some stupid nutty things and he may only have been given the job because he's coloured, but you can't argue with the stats: World No. 1 team; Lions tour victors and currently ******* all over the Tri Nations and looking invincible. If your team's doing so well then there's no need to get rid of the coach.
You say he's inherited the World Cup team and had it all made... but if you inherit the best team in the world, you can't possibly improve on that!!! All he can do is stay the same or go backwards. What he has done is taken a team that won a RWC as the 2nd best side in the world, and 2 years later they are in the dominant position NZ and England have enjoyed this decade - almost invincible. Like Clive Woodward, the coach may be an arsehole and may have a great player basis to do the job, but they still have to pick the right teams to win matches, and they do.
Give PdV a break until he f***s up, which I suspect (and I may get a roasting for this) some white south africans can't wait to happen.
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roadtogundagai
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It seems to me that SA rugby is being dominated by politics rather than rugby itself. First with White, after wining the World Cup, doesn't get his contract renewed, then the first black coach comes along, and its a great thing, not because he has a great coaching pedigree, but its great because he's black. Followed by the (sorry can't remember his name) player deemed not good enough by White, getting selected beacuse his family are connected from the Apartheid days when they played rugby with people the then government told them not to. Very commendable, but it does not give you the right to play for your country. Being the best at what you do gives you that right. Now the Protea has been added to the jersey, along side the springbok, although correct me if I am wrong but wasn't there a big push by the government to get rid of the springbok from the jersey all together??
Once you put the quota system into sports, the team will suffer from it. Merit is how anybody should get a job, place on the team, or even elected into government, not because of what school you went to, who you are friends with, what religion you are, or what colour you are.
Seriously, when a government with so much political clout in the southern African region cannot put pressure on Robert Mugabee to stand down, how could they manage to get rid of PdV??
Once you put the quota system into sports, the team will suffer from it. Merit is how anybody should get a job, place on the team, or even elected into government, not because of what school you went to, who you are friends with, what religion you are, or what colour you are.
Seriously, when a government with so much political clout in the southern African region cannot put pressure on Robert Mugabee to stand down, how could they manage to get rid of PdV??
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Boggle
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Aug 12 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
You haven't been paying attention have you ?
He -already- f***ed up, 2008 was one hell of a disaster, we should have cleaned out the Tri Nations, instead we got belted 19 - 0 at Newlands, ended up last on the log and almost got beaten by the Scots.
I mentioned before that I was all for giving him a chance but after last year he did go down a few notches in my book, so if all this coach actually has to do is -select- the squad, why the hell did we have to get rid of the guy who -built- the squad in the first place ?
I'm not arguing with the stats at all, but like I said, all he did was do what everyone said he should have done, I'm still not completely sure about him as a coach, he can still prove himself to me though, if he can create a game plan that utilizes our back-line more, but in an effective and efficient way (no crazy **** like last year or what New Zealand have been pulling this year) to compliment our immense front 8 he would have probably created one of the best teams ever.
You haven't been paying attention have you ?
He -already- f***ed up, 2008 was one hell of a disaster, we should have cleaned out the Tri Nations, instead we got belted 19 - 0 at Newlands, ended up last on the log and almost got beaten by the Scots.
I mentioned before that I was all for giving him a chance but after last year he did go down a few notches in my book, so if all this coach actually has to do is -select- the squad, why the hell did we have to get rid of the guy who -built- the squad in the first place ?
I'm not arguing with the stats at all, but like I said, all he did was do what everyone said he should have done, I'm still not completely sure about him as a coach, he can still prove himself to me though, if he can create a game plan that utilizes our back-line more, but in an effective and efficient way (no crazy **** like last year or what New Zealand have been pulling this year) to compliment our immense front 8 he would have probably created one of the best teams ever.
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gingergenius
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Boggle @ Aug 12 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
You haven't been paying attention have you ?
He -already- f***ed up, 2008 was one hell of a disaster, we should have cleaned out the Tri Nations, instead we got belted 19 - 0 at Newlands, ended up last on the log and almost got beaten by the Scots.
I mentioned before that I was all for giving him a chance but after last year he did go down a few notches in my book, so if all this coach actually has to do is -select- the squad, why the hell did we have to get rid of the guy who -built- the squad in the first place ?
I'm not arguing with the stats at all, but like I said, all he did was do what everyone said he should have done, I'm still not completely sure about him as a coach, he can still prove himself to me though, if he can create a game plan that utilizes our back-line more, but in an effective and efficient way (no crazy **** like last year or what New Zealand have been pulling this year) to compliment our immense front 8 he would have probably created one of the best teams ever.
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Ok I agree with you, there was no need to get rid of Jake White. But then there was no need to put the Protea on the shirt or any of the other petty 'reparations' bullshit. It happened.
However, post World Cup SA had to redevelop. England were unbeatable up to the RWC in 2003 and then lost to Ireland at Twickenham in the 6N in 2004. Similar reasons - after a world cup success, senior players decide to retire, leaving gaps which take time to be filled. England still haven't filled them all properly which is why we haven't been a great team for the last 5 years. South Africa have brought through Mtawarira, du Plessis, Brussow, Spies, Steyn and Steyn into the first team since then. Fine, the 2008 Tri nations wasn't amazing, but NZ were an outstanding side, and as I remember SA beat the ABs in NZ and put 50 points on Aus, who also beat them and the ABs, who eventually won the tournament. At the end of the day, it was rather a muddled affair all round.
Now, you talk of 'best teams ever'. Best teams ever are measured by results. If the 2005-7 All Blacks had won the RWC, they'd be up there for winning almost everything for a long period and capping it with the World Cup. As it is, they failed. I know I keep talking about it, but England 2001-3 were up there because they won almost everything (excluding Foot and Mouth fluke against Ireland and an almost equally world class France team) and then capped it with a world cup. When people think of the best teams ever, they never remember how much flair they had. This South Africa team has the oppurtunity to be the best team ever simply because it looks like winning everything up until the next world cup, then it's got to go and win that too. It's got **** all to do with any of the magic Francois Steyn can come up with.
You haven't been paying attention have you ?
He -already- f***ed up, 2008 was one hell of a disaster, we should have cleaned out the Tri Nations, instead we got belted 19 - 0 at Newlands, ended up last on the log and almost got beaten by the Scots.
I mentioned before that I was all for giving him a chance but after last year he did go down a few notches in my book, so if all this coach actually has to do is -select- the squad, why the hell did we have to get rid of the guy who -built- the squad in the first place ?
I'm not arguing with the stats at all, but like I said, all he did was do what everyone said he should have done, I'm still not completely sure about him as a coach, he can still prove himself to me though, if he can create a game plan that utilizes our back-line more, but in an effective and efficient way (no crazy **** like last year or what New Zealand have been pulling this year) to compliment our immense front 8 he would have probably created one of the best teams ever.
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Ok I agree with you, there was no need to get rid of Jake White. But then there was no need to put the Protea on the shirt or any of the other petty 'reparations' bullshit. It happened.
However, post World Cup SA had to redevelop. England were unbeatable up to the RWC in 2003 and then lost to Ireland at Twickenham in the 6N in 2004. Similar reasons - after a world cup success, senior players decide to retire, leaving gaps which take time to be filled. England still haven't filled them all properly which is why we haven't been a great team for the last 5 years. South Africa have brought through Mtawarira, du Plessis, Brussow, Spies, Steyn and Steyn into the first team since then. Fine, the 2008 Tri nations wasn't amazing, but NZ were an outstanding side, and as I remember SA beat the ABs in NZ and put 50 points on Aus, who also beat them and the ABs, who eventually won the tournament. At the end of the day, it was rather a muddled affair all round.
Now, you talk of 'best teams ever'. Best teams ever are measured by results. If the 2005-7 All Blacks had won the RWC, they'd be up there for winning almost everything for a long period and capping it with the World Cup. As it is, they failed. I know I keep talking about it, but England 2001-3 were up there because they won almost everything (excluding Foot and Mouth fluke against Ireland and an almost equally world class France team) and then capped it with a world cup. When people think of the best teams ever, they never remember how much flair they had. This South Africa team has the oppurtunity to be the best team ever simply because it looks like winning everything up until the next world cup, then it's got to go and win that too. It's got **** all to do with any of the magic Francois Steyn can come up with.
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Jethro
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wayner @ Aug 11 2009, 05:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
If I had to be honest I would say the Bok have already won the T3, can't see them dropping three games in a row :blink:
Depends on the political landscape I would have thought with PdV, considering the season the Bok are having he would be set in concrete in any other country.
If I had to be honest I would say the Bok have already won the T3, can't see them dropping three games in a row :blink:
Depends on the political landscape I would have thought with PdV, considering the season the Bok are having he would be set in concrete in any other country.
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shtove
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gingergenius @ Aug 13 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
But the coach who gets the best out of FS deserves all praise. Haven't seen it yet.
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Jer1cho
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England in 2002-2003 were the best team in rugby history, in my honest opinion. I followed their progress very closely, and they were, quite frankly, unbeatable...
Anyway, PdV WILL fall apart. When will it happen? When John Smit and Victor Matfield retire. Once that happens, BOOM!
Anyway, PdV WILL fall apart. When will it happen? When John Smit and Victor Matfield retire. Once that happens, BOOM!
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Jer1cho
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Jul 7 2009, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Does this mean what i think it means? <_<
I know who should take over from PdV:
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Does this mean what i think it means? <_<
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