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I always get niffed when people tell me I should not go to university and blah blah blah ... Im not the most intellectual student but I dam well work hard for it, I did at school and doing so now at uni. I worked so hard I got a scholarship to Cardiff Uni. I know a few people that are in the same boat as me intellectual wise.

Of course there are dossers who just go to uni for free money but its up to uni to regulate this!
 
Why would they?

Instead of being run as institutions of educational excellence, Unis now hand out degrees to anyone who wants them because of the lovely profit for every single student who passes the dumbed down courses on offer.
 
So every student should suffer because of the few? I'm sorry but I bloody hate that attitude.
 
Why would they?

Instead of being run as institutions of educational excellence, Unis now hand out degrees to anyone who wants them because of the lovely profit for every single student who passes the dumbed down courses on offer.

Again be careful what you say, because you are putting everyone in the same basket here which is not fair and as someone who has not been at university its an easy call to make.

So whats the alternative option then Chris for students not going to university? Find them jobs ... wait ... there aint that many ... more on the dole .... same problem occurs.
 
Well the way things are going, this governments spending cuts are going to completely cripple this country. Although the public sector was probably a little bloated, at least it provided jobs for people. All this government will be doing is paying out dole money for no work atall, instead of paying for NHS workers or students who are actually learning something. I'd like to see where the magical job numbers the government have dreamed up are going to come from when all they're doing is cutting jobs left, right and centre. The amount of companies who relyed on public sector work that the government have already sent under is worrying.

I'm starting to think that the sooner Wales get's indipendance the better. I wasn't quite sure Wales could survive on it's own in the past, but now....
 
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Thing is Dull when you look through British history, Torries / Libs always do the cuts and make things worse, when people get sick of them Labour comes back, improves it for a bit before people get sick of broken promises and we come back to the false promises of the Torries and Libs.
 
These jobs would still be there if the last lot hadn't screwed the construction and manufacture into the ground over the past decade. This is a country now which is entirely a service industry based. Repair a PC, flip a burger, play soccer, sell some insurance whatever - For the love of god though don't make anything or build anything.

It's "everybodys human right" to earn £100k per year while doing powerpoint presentations "because they went to University". Which isn't going to happen. Someone still has to empty the bins. That's Labours legacy.

Thing is Dull when you look through British history, Torries / Libs always do the cuts and make things worse, when people get sick of them Labour comes back, improves it for a bit before people get sick of broken promises and we come back to the false promises of the Torries and Libs.

You have that back to front;
- Labour get in and promise the world (and you won't have to pay for it) (1970s)
- Tories come in and make cuts after Labour bankrupt the country. Lazy ******** & students riot because they actually have to work for a while. Police get blamed. (1980s)
- Labour get in and promise the world (and you won't have to pay for it) (1997)
- Tories come in and make cuts after Labour bankrupt the country. Lazy ******** & students riot because they actually have to work for a while. Police get blamed. (2010)
 
Ignorance is bliss!

Lets all stop going to uni!
 
The sad fact is that our manufacturing sectors simply could not compete with the cheap labour prices abroad. Every car manufacturer etc. was going bust, and there was little anyone could have done to stop that. Governments have tried throwing money at large companies to keep their manufacturing plants in Britain, but as soon as they can, those manufacturers bugger off anyway.

How do you justify the cut in funding for many companies, such as those in Sheffield, British companies who were keen to stay in Britain and wanted to increase the amount they were manufacturing?

I see very little actions taken by this government to increase the number of jobs available, and boost our industries. Instead they are gambing that saving money every way possible will magically solve things. I honestly think that in a years time, things will be much, much worse agai, with no jobs available and soaring unemployment. Blame Labour though, they were rosponsible for the entire international credit crunch!!!!

I'm not a fan of Labour. They've done some stupid things in the past. But my god, they're a million times better than the bloody Tauries. Lib Dems have shot themselves in the foot, they won't recover for 10+ years. I can't see why anyone would now want to vote for them.
 
I could go for hours picking holes in that - I'll sum it up 'ere with of a copy paste of another similar debate I did months back:

For starters, Brown did **** us. Why? He handed all the power to the banks and allowed them to do whatever they feel like. They in turn behaved in a wreckless manor, lending money that doesn't exist being chief amongst their crimes.

Have I already mentioned that "fair" Gordon allowed them to do as they please without regulation? Ah good, just being careful. (Pitty Gordon wasn't, though! Right!)

Meanwhile, the unsustainable bubble kept on growing while the government (lead by then chancellor Gordon "Fair" Brown) Spent and spent and spent and borrowed and spent and spent and borrowed and spent and sold the gold at below market value on auction and spent and spent and spent and borrowed and then finally spent some more. Anyone who saw a problem with this was accused of being a bigot.

Now whenever is finding money easy to come by, the intelligent man puts some aside. You know, just to make sure he's covered for a rainy day. Gordon didn't. I believe even that famous Socialist economist said "spend to get out of a recession - And he was correct: When you say the full sentence. Spend your way out of recession, but save some when times are good.

Another part they forget to remember is he means keep spending by keeping money in the economy. No putting it onto foreign economy's. Oops.

Greedy unions also started going on strike constantly n'all. 1970's, anyone? Aint it a laugh when the Job Centre go on strike. Those who lost their jobs because of labour can't get a job because Labour won't put the resources into those who are supposed to get others into work.

Well, guess what happened. The bubble burst, the money ran out and the biggest mass employment since the, yep, 1970s happened.

Remind me, when were Labour last in power before 1997? What happened then?

Labour brought a culture of deb to the younger generationt, that is their legacy.

The FSA did nothing to curb the trading in mortgage backed securities which led to this, nor did the BOE do anything to curb the year after year house price in...flation brought about due to the expansion in credit due to the former.

The treasury was perfectly happy for both practices to continue without regulation (light hand approach with the city etc) as the tax revenues they generated allowed the public sector to expand to an extent where unemployment was reduced. The public sector employed the unemployables.

Rapid house price inflation in the UK allowed for mortgage equity withdrawl to soar fueling the UKs consumer economy.

Eventually when the defaults on the repackaged sub prime mortgages the US increased, the value of the MBS came into question, spooking the worldwide financial markets and causing a global contraction in credit.

As credit contracted, the house price inflation based labour "miracle economy" shrank.

Of course Gordon leans on his friend Merv and QE intends to expand credit but the law of unforseen (f**king obvious) circumstances sees the majority of the money used to purchase the gilts go into the spooked banking systems reserves and not lent.

So Gordon borrows and borrows to sustain the same miracle economy before with the problem being that the miracle economy was a freak system based on bullsh*t.

Labours big failure - PFI was intended to offload the risk of large developments onto private companies. So the private company build the hospital and the local authority "rents" it back - buy now pay later. Problem is that since these services truely are too big to fail - when the PFI company goes bust or can't complete on time or at all, the government foots the bill. Casing example London Underground. Not to mention that these private companies run for profit, so you pay more. PFI projects currently total 2-300billion pounds in addition to the national debt, money which obviously has to be paid.

In my mind the banking system should have been allowed to fail, with the FSA compensating the savers. Instead the taxpayer underwrote their liabilities of the banks which were a couple of orders of magnitude greater.

So Labour have left the younger generation with houses they can't afford, National debt for the rest of our lifetime and PFI debt for the next 30 years.

Sure, if you don't have a job or earn very little - vote labour. The people who actually contribute to the economy will be paying for this 13 years until they die...

Labour have had 12 years to put things right and yet all I ever hear is their supporters still blaming everything on the Tories, tell me how that works. While I am on the subject, fair play to ...those who make money, cos it's a damned site mo...re palatable to me to see someone earn what they have than have it handed to them on a plate because they can't be arsed or don't want to actually have to put any effort into paying for theiir own lifestyle.

There is a cycle in local and national politics, which, crudely put, is that Labout **** it up, and the Tories straighten it out read for Labour to have their next go at ******* it up.

All that said, I am guesing you will just come back with more reasons why it's the Tories fault.

Northerrn Rock should have gone to the wall, if the Government couldn't get a hanle on managing the banks, and before you say the Tories set the rules, remember labour have had 12 years to change em. Why the hell should I have to pay for everyone else's bad investments, I got nothing back for the money my investments lost in this recession, guess I should have put my money n Norhern Rock, then I would have been ok.

Run the country, I wouldn't even let them have their own bank accounts!!!

That's my final comment though, don't want to spend all night ranting!

Dodgy dossiers and WMD's to all :D
Pick out what suits.
 
Great argument, but offer no real solution. All you have done however is make an assumption that is wrong and unfair. I sense a sort of regret that you did not go to university, regardless of how you say you don't.

If anyone dare tells me that my History degree is a joke, ill happily rip there head off! I know loads of students who are just embarrassed by the people going to protest about the cuts because really all it is, is a **** up by certain universities *cough*Oxford and Cambridge*cough* and then lets smash this place up, its not a protest at all. What you have to be careful is Chris is that you make the assumption that every student is like the ones protesting.
 
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Do I regret not having a 3 year long pissup and shagging everything I could (I.e. the reason most people go to Uni)? A bit.

Do I regret not getting a uni education when I didn't need one? Not on your life.
 
Bullit, I agree with the majority of the above post in how Labour does have alot to answer for. They should have regulated the bank more closely, although ultimate responsibility should have always been with the banks themselves. They're not a bunch of kids, and really shouldn't have needed looking after, but previous form suggested they did, and that was not done. After that, there was no way the government could allow a bank to collapse, as everyone who had accounts would suddenly find themselves pennyless. Lessons should be learned, although history dictates they won't be. However, with USA also allowing the same thing to happen, this crash was innevitable. It all started with Northern Rock, and considering the multinational world we live in today, it would have been tough for the UK to have avoiled this credid crunch no matter what.

Agree completely about PFI, completely retarded idea in every way.

This is what I meant by "I'm also not a fan of Labour", but imho Labour are a the lesser of two evils. Would never vote for them though! I'm against pretty much every majour policy this 'coalition government' have implemented so far, except to a small degree the reform of the benefit system.
 
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The Dons and the dons are not your friends, they're your enemies..

Leave the mighty Dons out of this ;)


Just to agree with dullonien, and go further with regards to financial institutions being regulated/monitored, in that most Western countries (with Germany the notable exception) allowed the same things to happen as in the UK.


Now I see several situations that may save the UK.

1. A 'civil war' between Scotland & Wales vs England, with the former winning and using the southerners as slave labour. (mind you the most violent fighting will involve brawls in bars)
2. The British population suddenly 'Germanizes' and starts to work for the first time in 70 odd years
3. A nuclear war comes along which wipes out the US, Russia and China. (Whilst radiation collapses the East Asia/European states) This means we can re-open a manufacturing industry back
4. The populace votes in a government on the basis of merit and strong policies, not character assasination and promises that the things will turn out okay.
5. Such party actually exists


I actually can't see the UK, or in fact Europe in general ever getting back on the pedastal, and just hope to **** that I'm nae on this planet when WW3 happens.
Tis dark times ahead, made worse by David Cameron being in charge
 
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