South Africa vs Wales (14 June - Pretoria)

Discussion in 'International Test Matches' started by Steve-o, Jun 9, 2008.

  1. Steve-o

    Steve-o Guest

    After last weeks performance the Grand Slam champions Wales have alot to prove. The Springboks looked very organised and played effective rugby against their out-classed opponents, Wales.

    Having a new coaching staff, 10 changes to the team that won the WC last year and reverting back to the 'old' rules for the 1st time this year, the Boks looked unaffected and stood up the verbal threats coming from the Welsh camp with a convincing 26 point victory on Saturday, 43-17.

    The general concensus across Welsh and Saffa blogs, forums and newspapers were that the Boks simply looked stronger, faster, fitter and more 'streetwise'. For the first time in his coaching term with Wales people are doubting Gatland's tactics, doubting the Welsh team, and NH rugby in general. The Boks had an average on 21 international caps, while Wales had an average of 38.

    The difference is this...



    http://www.keo.co.za/2008/06/09/southern-h...e-to-hold-sway/



    People can call this arrogant or whatever, you can sugar coat these facts as much as you want but much was said on the field on Saturday and this will be shown again in the game this weekend.



    Personally I'm looking forward to the game this weeked, as it's anyone's guess (AGAIN) what team PdV will possibly play. My bet is he'll probably play the strongest possible side to get some combinations and partnerships going.



    My pick:

    15 - Jantjies

    14 - Chavhanga

    13 - Steyn

    12 - De Villiers

    11 - Habana

    10 - Grant/James

    9 - Januarie

    8 - Kankowski

    7 - Smith

    6 - Watson

    5 - Matfield

    4 - Botha

    3 - BJ Botha

    2 - Smit

    1 - van der Linde



    16 - du Plessis

    17 - BEAST!!!

    18 - Rossouw

    19 - Bekker

    20 - Pienaar

    21 - Ndungane

    22 - Grant/James



    Admitedly this isn't the strongest 15 but I think he'll probably mix it up again.

    Not too sure about who the replacement backs are gonna be. I wish Bobo wasn't in the squad... he can only cover 13, and it not even that good at that. If Percy doesn't start he won't be on the bench IMO.
     
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  3. sanzar

    sanzar Guest

    Yeah, I was as surprised as anyone with last weeks result. Wales had a few missing, sure, but the boks were no better off with the massive changes in player and management staff since the RWC and the sudden reversion to the old rules. Really, apart from the home ground advantage (and crowd wise this was one of the least intimidating Bok crowds I've ever seen - with barely anyone making a sound most of the match) Wales really had it all in their favour. They really need to stand up this week if they want any sort of recognition for the 6 nations triumph.
     
  4. Jer1cho

    Jer1cho Guest

    I think the 15 you chose is damn strong... That is a tri-nations winning team. I dare to even say the team that will finally whoop New Zealand in their own back yard.... (just add Spies)

    Anyway. Wales at Loftus, against on form Boks, with a win under the belt...

    South Africa 55
    Wales 13
     
  5. I'm sure Pienaar won't be there. Bolla, like it or not, played well and probably deserves another chance. Why not Spies ahead of Rossouw? Steyn starting ahead of Jacobs I can't imagine either with Jacobs playing well. Maybe Grant to sit out? But he deserves a spot because of Super 14 form I guess. In any case I won't want to be the coaching team...
    I have a feeling the scores will be similar this week. Both teams' attack and defense will improve and it'll probably be a more exciting game with a good crowd in.
    Hopefully our wings will get more of the ball this game.
     
  6. nicolaas777

    nicolaas777 Guest

    hey guys...im new here :p

    my xv would be:

    15 jantjies
    14 chavanga
    13 steyn
    12 de villiers
    11 habana (duh)
    10 james
    9 januarie

    8 spies
    7 smith
    6 watson
    5 matfield
    4 botha
    3 beast
    2 smit
    1 steenkamp

    16 du plessis
    17 van der linde
    18 bekker
    19 kankowski
    20 pienaar
    21 grant
    22 erm...probably percy

    i think it's a pretty damn good team :)
     
  7. candybum

    candybum Guest

    To me its hard to see any changes because they all played pretty well aye, like it would be stink dropping them. In saying that i love to see Steyn out there because he's the mantis lol
     
  8. Steve-o

    Steve-o Guest

    Thing about Pienaar is that he can play 9, 10 or 15; and Conradie did play well but Pienaar is a class above him. Lets be honest about Conradie here, I'm sure the coach was pleased with his performance but he's still a 30 year man with 11 caps to his name. He's not a future prospect at all, and will be humbled by Oz and NZ imo.

    I chose Rossouw because he can cover 4, 5, 6, 7, 8; and to be honest I haven't seen Spies play 6 or 7, so he is considered a specialist 8th man in this line up. Not saying he can't play flank, just never seen him there. I would rather have Wickus on than Rossouw but with that 3 year contract in England he fell out of a Bok spot. And in some ways I enjoy the physicality Rossouw brings, bit of a meat head but he does the bashing up stuff well.

    Lets also be honest about Jacobs vs Steyn. Jacobs is playing the best rugby of his life at 29 or 30 (?) and has lost a yard of pace. Steyn won the most promising young player award in 2007, he has so much talent. He needs game time though, and this game is the last competitive game we got before the Tri-Nations.
     
  9. Macsen

    Macsen Guest

    * tumbleweeds of silence for the Welsh contingent *

    I hope to see a much improved Welsh performance next Sat. Although SH rugby is clearly superior, I don't think the result should be interpreted as indicative of a huge divide between NH and SH rugby. Truth is that if Wales had turned in a performance like that at the Six Nations we would have lost to Scotland or Italy. There was a total lack of discipline and by the time we found our feet we were already 10+ points behind. Fitness should also be a concern - Wales did well in the Six Nations by outlasting the other team in the second half. I don't know if it was the altitude or what but they looked out on their feet at the end and let in some soft tries. Time to invest in a training base atop Mt Snowdon maybe.
     
  10. Cymro

    Cymro Guest

    Wales will give a bigger and better performance! Edwards and Gatland will ensure this! I reckon a SA victory but within 10 points with Wales giving a good account for themselves!

    Gatland needs to bring in Delve for Dafydd Jones and Fury for Cooper! Would like to see Tom James get a run but it wont happen!
     
  11. BLR

    BLR Guest

    Those two parts of the sentence are largely at odds with each other.
     
  12. Macsen

    Macsen Guest

    How? I'm saying SH is better, but not 26 points better. :)
     
  13. Bull

    Bull Guest

    Agreed the crowd as well as the attendance was disappointing but I expect that to be different this coming Saturday. I think there will be at least 40000 people if not a sell out and the Loftus crowd is one of the loudest most intimidating out there.
     
  14. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    Good thing too. If James started, Habana would make mincemeat of him, and Mark Jones did a good job containing him on Saturday, so it would be pretty stupid to let him start.

    + Jericho, 55 points? LULZ, not likely. :p
     
  15. Jer1cho

    Jer1cho Guest

    Well, we managed 43 last week, add the confidence, add Loftus, at least another 12 points worth... :p
     
  16. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    Haven't you heard? It's become a well known fact that Gatland was just lulling zee Boks into a false sense of security, so come the second test, we'll obliterate you with the flick of an eyebrow...a MAGIC one that is! :mellow:

    D:

    Wales 20 - SA 32
     
  17. Cymro

    Cymro Guest

    Good thing too. If James started, Habana would make mincemeat of him, and Mark Jones did a good job containing him on Saturday, so it would be pretty stupid to let him start.

    + Jericho, 55 points? LULZ, not likely. :p [/b][/quote]

    Ok we can let Stoddart come off the bench and ruin the game again <_<
     
  18. BLR

    BLR Guest

    How? I'm saying SH is better, but not 26 points better. :)
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    Yeah, the 6 nations champions against a Bok team formulated from some extremely underperforming South African Super 14 teams while thier national system seems to not be in the best shape in regards to the politics in thier country...it should have been far more evenly matched but it shows the difference in class between the two different teams....
     
  19. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    Good thing too. If James started, Habana would make mincemeat of him, and Mark Jones did a good job containing him on Saturday, so it would be pretty stupid to let him start.

    + Jericho, 55 points? LULZ, not likely. :p [/b][/quote]

    Ok we can let Stoddart come off the bench and ruin the game again <_<
    [/b][/quote]
    Oh, did you mean off the bench? Fair enough then.
     
  20. Steve-o

    Steve-o Guest

    I'll you give you Welsh boys one thing, you're very optimistic.
    Why do you guys lambast over Edwards and Gatland so much? Throw me concerts and give them awards. They still have much to prove
    So much praise is not very constructive
     
  21. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    I'll you give you Welsh boys one thing, you're very optimistic.
    Why do you guys lambast over Edwards and Gatland so much? Throw me concerts and give them awards. They still have much to prove
    So much praise is not very constructive
    [/b][/quote]
    How many coaching set-ups in the World would have taken Wales from a WC pool-stage exit to a Grand Slam? None bar Edwards and Gatland in World rugby at the moment. Besides, a loss to the World Champions, in their own back yard, missing many key players, having to get used to the altitude and conditions and having to get used to the Ed+Gat style of play after the majority of this Welsh squad went back to Lyn Jones (he's the epitomy of a **** coach, so you know) at the Ospreys doesn't change that much. You guys seem to be taking it way overboard as if Wales are suddenly nobody's again. If you come to Cardiff in the Autumn and beat our full strength side, then I'll admit I was wrong, but until then...
     
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