What changes with Eddie Jones

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Mistake 1 in press conference ":*"I've had a good chat to Ian Ritchie. I*want players who want to play for England*and to play for England*you have to play in the Premiership."

Why?

Love to see Bendy and Amritages reactions:

 

[psychic duck]

1. Vunipola
2. George
3. Cole
4. Launchbury
5. Itoje
6. Ewers
7. Kvesic
8. Vunipola
9. Simpson
10. Ford
11. May
12. Slade
13. Joseph
14. Wade
15. Watson

16. Marler
17. Youngs
18. Thomas
19. Kruis
20. Clifford
21. Youngs
22. Farrell
23. Daly or Nowell

Give Kvesic a go while Fraser gets used to playing regularly again and O'connor settles, then they can battle for the place.

Let's not die wondering with Wade: give him the full 6N and see how he goes, accepting Brown is unlucky.

Hughes will come into the mix in the autumn.

That squad looks drastically light on experience.

 

[Hightower]

Why?

Love to see Bendy and Amritages reactions:

Armitage because he would bring the quality England need in his position. He is a dynamic player who is better than anything else we have.

I understand why the rule is in place, I understand why people want to adhere to it. But in my opinion it is holding the team back from picking it's best players.

Australia changed their rule to allow Mitchell, Giteau and Genia to play and they were all big parts of the WC success.

Jones said during the world cup Armitage should be in, Robshaw is average etc.

 

[Hulkster]

That squad looks drastically light on experience.

You can't pick for experience.

People get this argument the wrong way around imo.

Getting lots of caps doesn't make you a world class player, being a world class player gets you lots of caps.

People point to the likes of Macaw and Carter having a hundred caps as if that is what makes them great, but they were world class players at cap 1 as well as cap 100,

You could increase experience in that team by bringing back Wood, Robshaw, Barritt, but I don't think that would make it any better.

Brown in the only experienced player I've not included who might be missed imo.

But it's all about opinions!

 

[Hightower]

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rug...mitage-should-have-been-called-upon-1.2374280

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rug...mitage-should-have-been-called-upon-1.2374280

I assume you have not heard Jones speak outside this year.

 

[Mattybuck]

I'd ignore what people say when they are not in the role they are talking about. Quotes in newspapers are hardly reliable are they.

Players playing outside of England knew the rules. If they want to play for England they need to come back and tough it out.

Personally I think for some of them comes higher on their list of priorities.

I'm glad the rule remains!

 

[Peat]

If Steffon Armitage wants to play for England, he can ask Toulon to release him from his contract. Hope he does.

 

[Hightower]

I assume you have not heard Jones speak outside this year.

Do you disregard what he said this year and just go by his past?

 

[Which Tyler]

I disregard anything anyone says when they're asked for their view on something they know next to nothing about.

Just how much homework do you think Eddie had done on England ahead of the RWC? surely he'd have been busy analysing the Saffers, Scots etc.

When that persons past indicates an active desire to disrupt any other team's preparations, particularly England's then again, any bombs thrown in ignorance, are even further to be ignored.

 

[Peat]

I disregard anything anyone says when they're asked for their view on something they know next to nothing about.

Just how much homework do you think Eddie had done on England ahead of the RWC? surely he'd have been busy analysing the Saffers, Scots etc.

When that persons past indicates an active desire to disrupt any other team's preparations, particularly England's then again, any bombs thrown in ignorance, are even further to be ignored.

In fairness, if he backed himself, and the man did, he'd have probably did a bit on his intended quarter-final opponents

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Do you disregard what he said this year and just go by his past?

No but if you have followed what Eddie jones says he is a stirrer when it comes to oppositions and mind games.

He is like Gatland in that department.

 

[Hightower]

No but if you have followed what Eddie jones says he is a stirrer when it comes to oppositions and mind games.

He is like Gatland in that department.

There is no doubt about it, but what he is quoted as saying in the article is more or less spot on about both players.

It doesn't really matter now as he isn't dropping or tweaking the policy much to my disappointment.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

There is no doubt about it, but what he is quoted as saying in the article is more or less spot on about both players.

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What's that got to do with the price of chips?

 

[MrTea_32]

If Steffon Armitage wants to play for England, he can ask Toulon to release him from his contract. Hope he does.

Would love to see Armitage for England but only if he's playing in England which I really can't see, he's on big money living in France and if he didn't come back when he had the chance with Bath for the world cup then I really can't see him doing it now.

 

[j'nuh]

Glad we're sticking to England-based players. If you care more about the money of France than representing your country, then you don't have the right attitude for international rugby.

 

[bazwaz]

Armitage because he would bring the quality England need in his position. He is a dynamic player who is better than anything else we have.

I understand why the rule is in place, I understand why people want to adhere to it. But in my opinion it is holding the team back from picking it's best players.

Australia changed their rule to allow Mitchell, Giteau and Genia to play and they were all big parts of the WC success.

...what success was that ??? - coming second is failing at the last hurdle ...not to mention Joubert's error which would otherwise have seen Australia eliminated by Scotland...had they used homebased players they may have gone one better - Christian Lealiifano for instance was part of the Aussie team that beat the ABs in Sydney this year but left out of the RWC squad - better than Giteau IMHO... Nic White, the hero in the same forementioned test win against the ABs this year also left out of their RWC squad - arguably a better halfback than Genia who sucked all SuperXV rugby season for the Reds...

 

[Vieux Talonneur]

You can't pick for experience.

People get this argument the wrong way around imo.

Getting lots of caps doesn't make you a world class player, being a world class player gets you lots of caps.

People point to the likes of Macaw and Carter having a hundred caps as if that is what makes them great, but they were world class players at cap 1 as well as cap 100,

You could increase experience in that team by bringing back Wood, Robshaw, Barritt, but I don't think that would make it any better.

Brown in the only experienced player I've not included who might be missed imo.

But it's all about opinions!

RWCs constantly prove the need for experience. The natural learning curve means that a player should be better with 20 caps than 1 and better with 50 than 20. If they're not, something's wrong.

But I agree, just chucking caps at players who've continually proven not up to the job is pointless. The art is backing the right horse in the first place and I think Jones has been quite good at that.

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Glad we're sticking to England-based players. If you care more about the money of France than representing your country, then you don't have the right attitude for international rugby.

This.

But I have a feeling the whole argument's about to reignite. Again!

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Australia changed their rule to allow Mitchell, Giteau and Genia to play and they were all big parts of the WC success.

...what success was that ??? - coming second is failing at the last hurdle ...not to mention Joubert's error which would otherwise have seen Australia eliminated by Scotland...had they used homebased players they may have gone one better - Christian Lealiifano for instance was part of the Aussie team that beat the ABs in Sydney this year but left out of the RWC squad - better than Giteau IMHO... Nic White, the hero in the same forementioned test win against the ABs this year also left out of their RWC squad - arguably a better halfback than Genia who sucked all SuperXV rugby season for the Reds...

wouldn't be surprised that Gits coming in might have been a factor with Toomua and tigers.

 

[Shaggy]

Armitage because he would bring the quality England need in his position. He is a dynamic player who is better than anything else we have.

I understand why the rule is in place, I understand why people want to adhere to it. But in my opinion it is holding the team back from picking it's best players.

Australia changed their rule to allow Mitchell, Giteau and Genia to play and they were all big parts of the WC success.

...what success was that ??? - coming second is failing at the last hurdle ...not to mention Joubert's error which would otherwise have seen Australia eliminated by Scotland...had they used homebased players they may have gone one better - Christian Lealiifano for instance was part of the Aussie team that beat the ABs in Sydney this year but left out of the RWC squad - better than Giteau IMHO... Nic White, the hero in the same forementioned test win against the ABs this year also left out of their RWC squad - arguably a better halfback than Genia who sucked all SuperXV rugby season for the Reds...

Drew Mitchell had a good tournament and probably justified his selection, but my concern with picking overseas based players is that you sacrifice future long term success, for short term gain; you get the benefit of being able to select from a wider pool of players, but you lose more players to the overseas clubs, thus weakening your own domestic competition, plus you have to deal with those clubs who understandably have their own interests at heart, when it comes to player availability/player peaking etc.

England has a strong domestic player base, and is in a better place domestically than Australia, so the non-eligibility of overseas based players is the right call for them I think.

It sounds like Jones will bring in new players gradually as he builds to the next RWC, which is the right approach IMO. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...ans-to-keep-the-door-shut-on-overseas-players.)

Should be interesting to see who he initially brings in and who he retains though.