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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Logorrhea @ Dec 3 2009, 01:35 PM)
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You point out to me where I'm wrong and I'll put my hand up. I have no problem with being wrong but I choose my arguements carefully and will only back up my statements once I am confident I'm right. The Religion thread is an example of that. If I'm not sure I'll happily say I havent a clue or stay away from it. The climate change debate is an example of THAT.
The Player of the year 2009 thread was great fun. Read it again and you'll see where I was coming from. It aint my fault if you cant see it.
As for this thread. I said the Boks were crass for not applauding the team off and for publicly calling Heaslip a gouger without evidence. I wasnt wrong in what I said. You just didnt like it.
In response, you have raised cheap shots from the Irish (no evidence), the Irish press comments (simply didnt happen so you cant have an evidence for it) and I dont think you have once commented on the stuff that we know DID happen beyond saying the Irish deserved it for what happened on the Lions tour 6 months ago (though I remember quite a few Welsh and English men putting themselves about both on and off the pitch).
I'm using facts, though they may well be selective, you are just making stuff up. Thats why I dont give a **** about what you have to say on THIS topic.[/b]
Nice, you just completely proved my point.
What cheap shots from the Irish have i raised? Nowhere in this entire thread did i say they did anything dirty on the field. NOWHERE. I merely stated that they were being dick-heads, which they were. I'm going to add some quotes from John Smit's book soon regarding certain Irish players...
In the build-up to the game,
all i read everywhere was how the Irish are calling this "the revenge game" or "payback" etc etc, and that everywhere the Irish press were talking about the gouging incident, as well as how dirty our players are. Most of these articles were written by our journalists who travel with the teams to write articles about the tour and attend press conferences. If none of this ever happened, then i suppose i am quoting a bunch of liars. Basically, that was all that was being said in our media. You honestly think i just randomly decided, "hey, I'm going to make up a story about how Ireland are calling us names..." ? That's ridiculous.
On the hand clapping issue, it's purely my opinion isn't it?
Not everything we do is perfect. Far from it. This Heaslip gouge thing is appalling, and ****** me off. What our idiot coach said after the Schalk Burger incident is embarrassing, and utterly crazy. What Bismark did in that 'BOD threaten incident' made me want to kill him. In my view though, not everything you boys do is perfect either is it?
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Em, yeah, all very reasonable.
But I've just highlighted that bit because....well quite frankly I think we should all start ignoring the media. We all know they're bullshitters.
My own view on this. I have no problem with players considering it a 'revenge game' so long as they do it quietly, preferably in their own head or with a friend around camp. Different people motivate themselves in different ways. Nobody player ever said anything like that in the media. Alot of players did say (e.g Tommy Bowe, Keith Earls) that they were dissapointed with how the Lions ended or their own performances in the tour and they were looking for a nother cut at the Bokke. I'm sure the media in SA twisted that into a grudge match thing.
I haven't read that much on the gouging issue. Why are your media reporting on what our media is saying? Are they that lost for words? I'll give you a sample though:
http://www.rte.ie/ie/sportrugbynov2009/entry/guinness_november_series_blog1</a>
Now can we all just build a bridge and get the fock over it?
And ignore the media.
